There is much to say about this but I will try to condense my
commentary (as I often do)but be thorough for clarity's sake. First,
"nothing" simply cannot exist outside of a comparative(as compared
to"something") concept.
Throughout the wisdom traditions there are similar stories about
creation ie; Gen. 1; "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and
the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over
the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the
waters."
Nowhere in this passage does there say "nothing" but, rather,
formless and empty. Now let's take into account zero point energy and
th zero point energy feild. Also, take note of the entire second verse
of Gen; 1. Oh yes, and lets take helium (2He) as a perfect example of
the water and hydrogen as being a representation of God (it is the
most abundant element in the universe after all). We will also take
into account what we know of Pat's revolutionary theory (still not
published). We "know" that the material or physical universe (our
measurable one) exists only in our space time continuum. Quantum
physics, however, allows for multiple dimensions of universe (be it 11
or 26) and, perhaps even a multiverse.
Ok, let's go back to the helium and hydrogen. Let's say; God
(hydrogen) hovered above (perhaps in Calabi-yau space) the waters
(helium) but at ZPE and in wave form. We'll shall also consider, as
Clayton suggests, that, at this point God has sentience. As God's
intent is suggests, "let there be light" implies there is interation
between said waters of the deep and God. So, at a pressure of 1
atmosphere nothing happens to helium at ZPE but increase the pressure
to 25 atmospheres it freezes and solifies. That's all I have for now.
On Mar 1, 12:30 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 1, 2:46 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I wish I had a more advanced language to work with. I use words like
> > conscience and energy but these words just don't cut it. Perhaps I should
> > create my own words and define them.
>
> Please do so. I do. Neologisms are more and more common.
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Clayton Taylor
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory,
> > > new
> > > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing.
>
> > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > >> On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Hey Pat,
>
> > >> > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance.
>
> > >> Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines.
> > >> I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the
> > >> internet.
>
> > >> > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human
> > >> > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the
> > >> > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the
> > >> > conciousness of God?
>
> > >> A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its
> > >> the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions.
>
> > >> > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about
> > >> > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it
> > >> > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I
> > >> > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present
> > >> > before the creation.
>
> > >> Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But
> > >> it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito-
> > >> physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think
> > >> we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical
> > >> aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy,
> > >> 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like
> > >> anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is
> > >> the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point,
> > >> purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to
> > >> try to reach that potential and the show began.
>
> > >> > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original
> > >> > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind.
>
> > >> Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither
> > >> created nor destroyed!!
>
> > >> > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]
>
> > >> > > wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books?
>
> > >> > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the
> > >> > > > creation. Thusly:
>
> > >> > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance,
> > >> > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God
> > >> to
> > >> > > > experiance.
>
> > >> > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology--
> > >> > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B
> > >> > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get
> > >> > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is
> > >> > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing,
> > >> > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something.
> > >> > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that
> > >> > > was
> > >> > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw
> > >> > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a
> > >> > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the
> > >> > > underlying
> > >> > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like
> > >> > > Clayton
> > >> > > to give it some thought.
>
> > >> > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but
> > >> how
> > >> > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be
> > >> something
> > >> > > > > right?
>
> > >> > > > > Not in my theory.
>
> > >> > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing
> > >> > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced
> > >> > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the
> > >> conscience
> > >> > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually
> > >> > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn
> > >> > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn
> > >> > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the
> > >> > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it
> > >> is,
> > >> > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually
> > >> > > > > build
> > >> up
> > >> > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure
> > >> would
> > >> > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying
> > >> is
> > >> > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed,
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this
> > >> energy.
>
> > >> > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything
> > >> there is
> > >> > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was
> > >> very
> > >> > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has
> > >> been
> > >> > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods
> > >> > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things
> > >> that
> > >> > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the
> > >> smallest
> > >> > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how
> > >> > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came
> > >> > > > > up
> > >> > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying
> > >> > > > > nature
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I
> > >> could
> > >> > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock
> > >> were
> > >> > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up
> > >> > > > > to
> > >> my
> > >> > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire
> > >> piece
> > >> > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one
> > >> > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the
> > >> night
> > >> > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that
> > >> everything is
> > >> > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though
> > >> he,
> > >> > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the
> > >> > > > > ability
> > >> to
> > >> > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning
> > >> > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get
> > >> outside
> > >> > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning
> > >> of
> > >> > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to
> > >> see
> > >> > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us
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