I wish I had a more advanced language to work with. I use words like conscience and energy but these words just don't cut it. Perhaps I should create my own words and define them.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]>wrote: > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory, new > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hey Pat, >> > >> > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. >> > >> >> Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. >> I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the >> internet. >> >> > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human >> > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the >> > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the >> > conciousness of God? >> > >> >> A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its >> the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. >> >> > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about >> > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it >> > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I >> > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present >> > before the creation. >> > >> >> Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But >> it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- >> physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think >> we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical >> aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, >> 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like >> anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is >> the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, >> purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to >> try to reach that potential and the show began. >> >> > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the original >> > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. >> > >> >> Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither >> created nor destroyed!! >> >> > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? >> > >> > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the >> > > > creation. Thusly: >> > >> > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without experiance, >> > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For God >> to >> > > > experiance. >> > >> > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no methodology-- >> > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B >> > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get >> > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is >> > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a nothing, >> > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. >> > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that was >> > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw >> > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is a >> > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the underlying >> > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like Clayton >> > > to give it some thought. >> > >> > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, but >> how >> > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be >> something >> > > > > right? >> > >> > > > > Not in my theory. >> > >> > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing >> > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced >> > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the >> conscience >> > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also continually >> > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those unborn >> > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all unborn >> > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the >> > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it >> is, >> > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually build >> up >> > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure >> would >> > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am saying >> is >> > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, >> and >> > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this >> energy. >> > >> > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe is >> the >> > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything >> there is >> > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge was >> very >> > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has >> been >> > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of Gods >> > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all things >> that >> > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the >> smallest >> > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of how >> > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I came up >> > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying nature >> and >> > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I >> could >> > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock >> were >> > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went up to >> my >> > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire >> piece >> > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one >> > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the >> night >> > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that >> everything is >> > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though >> he, >> > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the ability >> to >> > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning >> > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get >> outside >> > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the beginning >> of >> > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him to >> see >> > > > > outside his own universe. Something that I think will keep us >> occupied >> > > > > for quite some time.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >
