Also, for reference, purposes, you may follow some of the links on this blog for that which may be epmirically proven. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=62023
On Mar 1, 2:35 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > There is much to say about this but I will try to condense my > commentary (as I often do)but be thorough for clarity's sake. First, > "nothing" simply cannot exist outside of a comparative(as compared > to"something") concept. > Throughout the wisdom traditions there are similar stories about > creation ie; Gen. 1; "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and > the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over > the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the > waters." > Nowhere in this passage does there say "nothing" but, rather, > formless and empty. Now let's take into account zero point energy and > th zero point energy feild. Also, take note of the entire second verse > of Gen; 1. Oh yes, and lets take helium (2He) as a perfect example of > the water and hydrogen as being a representation of God (it is the > most abundant element in the universe after all). We will also take > into account what we know of Pat's revolutionary theory (still not > published). We "know" that the material or physical universe (our > measurable one) exists only in our space time continuum. Quantum > physics, however, allows for multiple dimensions of universe (be it 11 > or 26) and, perhaps even a multiverse. > Ok, let's go back to the helium and hydrogen. Let's say; God > (hydrogen) hovered above (perhaps in Calabi-yau space) the waters > (helium) but at ZPE and in wave form. We'll shall also consider, as > Clayton suggests, that, at this point God has sentience. As God's > intent is suggests, "let there be light" implies there is interation > between said waters of the deep and God. So, at a pressure of 1 > atmosphere nothing happens to helium at ZPE but increase the pressure > to 25 atmospheres it freezes and solifies. That's all I have for now. > > On Mar 1, 12:30 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 1, 2:46 pm, Clayton Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I wish I had a more advanced language to work with. I use words like > > > conscience and energy but these words just don't cut it. Perhaps I should > > > create my own words and define them. > > > Please do so. I do. Neologisms are more and more common. > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Clayton Taylor > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have a hard time believing that energy cant be created. In my theory, > > > > new > > > > energy is always constantly created where there is nothing. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Pat > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > Hey Pat, > > > > >> > I did wonder when you would put in an apperance. > > > > >> Out of the past 59 days, I've had about 42 of them with migraines. > > > >> I've had loads of time off and, thus, haven't had access to the > > > >> internet. > > > > >> > Yep I had the same thought you know. When we talk of human > > > >> > conciousness we are talking basicly an electrical impulse, can the > > > >> > same be said of a bodyless God? What then is meant by the > > > >> > conciousness of God? > > > > >> A different 'form' of energy (spiritual energy). In my theory, its > > > >> the form that appears in 3 out of the 6 Calabi-Yau dimensions. > > > > >> > Myself I sometimes use this word (conciousness) when talking about > > > >> > Gods 'essance' or 'spirit'. In order to show that whatever it is, it > > > >> > needs to be understood that it does not consit of matter, and when I > > > >> > say matter I also mean energy, that is nothing that was not present > > > >> > before the creation. > > > > >> Exactly! Whilst matter is a form of energy, so, too, is spirit. But > > > >> it's not found in this 4-D world. Although, because the spirito- > > > >> physical interface (our nervous system) is so good, we tend to think > > > >> we see it whem in reality, what we are seeing is only the physical > > > >> aspect of the interface. Remember, when it comes to energy, > > > >> 'potential energy' has no appearance whatsoever. It doesn't look like > > > >> anything, yet it has complete potential FOR everything. And THAT is > > > >> the key to solving the conundrum. All energy was, at some point, > > > >> purely potential. At that point, the only thing it COULD do was to > > > >> try to reach that potential and the show began. > > > > >> > Again personaly speaking I have no problems seeing God as the > > > >> > original > > > >> > cause. To ask what then caused God is meaningless, to my mind. > > > > >> Especially when science is clearly happy that energy is neither > > > >> created nor destroyed!! > > > > >> > On Mar 1, 1:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > On Mar 1, 11:27 am, "[email protected]" > > > >> > > <[email protected] > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Have you ever read the 'Conversations with God' Books? > > > > >> > > > It's auother suggests much the same and gives a reason fro the > > > >> > > > creation. Thusly: > > > > >> > > > Gods knowledge is perfect but what is knowledge without > > > >> > > > experiance, > > > >> > > > and so 'let there be light' and the creation was created. For > > > >> > > > God > > > >> to > > > >> > > > experiance. > > > > >> > > While, in principle, I agree, the proposition states no > > > >> > > methodology-- > > > >> > > no mechanism--for getting from point A (nothing) to point B > > > >> > > (something). There needs to be a mechanism, even for a God, to get > > > >> > > something from nothing. Alternatively, Clayton's proposition is > > > >> > > slightly better in that it doesn't propose that there WAS a > > > >> > > nothing, > > > >> > > per se, rather , that the nothing was, in fact, a something. > > > >> > > Nevertheless, what is lacking THERE is what IS this something that > > > >> > > was > > > >> > > nothing? I already know the answer myself, but I thought I'd throw > > > >> > > out the questions to help eke it out of Clayton. Consciousness is > > > >> > > a > > > >> > > great fall back, but of what does it consist? What is the > > > >> > > underlying > > > >> > > 'substance'? Again, I already know the answer, but would like > > > >> > > Clayton > > > >> > > to give it some thought. > > > > >> > > > On Feb 27, 9:51 pm, Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Before there was anything in our universe there was nothing, > > > >> > > > > but > > > >> how > > > >> > > > > could something come to exist from nothing. Nothing must be > > > >> something > > > >> > > > > right? > > > > >> > > > > Not in my theory. > > > > >> > > > > My theory is that there is always an infinite amount of nothing > > > >> > > > > outside of something and that something is continually produced > > > >> > > > > wherever there is nothing. What that something is, is the > > > >> conscience > > > >> > > > > of an unborn universe, and these consciences are also > > > >> > > > > continually > > > >> > > > > being produced. Our universe was at one time one of those > > > >> > > > > unborn > > > >> > > > > universes, but something happened. Just as it does for all > > > >> > > > > unborn > > > >> > > > > universes. It’s conscience began to think, but what would the > > > >> > > > > conscience of nothing think about? It would think about what it > > > >> is, > > > >> > > > > because it wouldn't know, and this thought would continually > > > >> > > > > build > > > >> up > > > >> > > > > in the conscience until it was so compressed that the pressure > > > >> would > > > >> > > > > cause the conscience to explode into a big bang. What I am > > > >> > > > > saying > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > that thought is the first form of energy that has ever existed, > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > that everything in our universe is just another form of this > > > >> energy. > > > > >> > > > > I believe that the energy, that is everything in our Universe > > > >> > > > > is > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > God of our universe, and that God has always known everything > > > >> there is > > > >> > > > > to know about the universe. In the beginning God’s knowledge > > > >> > > > > was > > > >> very > > > >> > > > > limited, but now it is very complex because everything that has > > > >> been > > > >> > > > > created from that original thought energy is an extension of > > > >> > > > > Gods > > > >> > > > > consciousness, even ourselves. However, I believe that all > > > >> > > > > things > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > exists also have their own conscience. Everything, from the > > > >> smallest > > > >> > > > > particle on up to the entire universe. It’s just a matter of > > > >> > > > > how > > > >> > > > > closely you look. I’ll use a rock as an example, because I > > > >> > > > > came up > > > >> > > > > with my theory while I was in the woods on my land enjoying > > > >> > > > > nature > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > there was this huge beautiful rock, and it was almost as if I > > > >> could > > > >> > > > > see into it and see its conscience. It was like me and the rock > > > >> were > > > >> > > > > interacting. Now, when I stepped away from the rock and went > > > >> > > > > up to > > > >> my > > > >> > > > > car that was parked at the top of my land I could see my entire > > > >> piece > > > >> > > > > of land and I could see that it was all working together as one > > > >> > > > > conscience. I see it on an even larger scale when I look at the > > > >> night > > > >> > > > > sky. After this experience I came to the conclusion that > > > >> everything is > > > >> > > > > very much alive. I also came to the conclusion that man, though > > > >> he, > > > >> > > > > like all other things that are an extension of God has the > > > >> > > > > ability > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > know as much as God. I feel that man is very close to beginning > > > >> > > > > exploration outside of his own universe and that once we get > > > >> outside > > > >> > > > > of our universe our task will then be to track down the > > > >> > > > > beginning > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > nothing and we will become an extension of God that allows him > > > >> > > > > to > > > >> see > > > >> > > > > outside his own universe. 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