iam deheretic wrote: > I personally think Jesus was son of Mary,, and not God.. when you take the > time to think about it with him being a man ,, think of the implications of > what he actually did. There was a special connection and I think Buddha had > an connection also. Personally I think every generation has it teachers and > false teacher , Prophets and false prophets. > The problem is people just fail to listen and think, and then want to follow > the promotion , promotion promotion type of people. And there is only one > God.. > > 25 that is a great age to be at... You can have a long life time ahead > exploring your beliefs and the beliefs of others (Don't let anyone sell you > a bill of good.) you might try reading Johnathan Livingston Seagull; > Illusions etc... by Bach great stories,, and the works of > Carlos Castaneda but I think the first one was a grad student doing his > post graduate thesis (out chasing his drugs and ran into a real medicine > man) after the first book they start to get more and more interesting. Well > worth reading. > If you read them have fun and enjoy your life. > Allan > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:41 AM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > iam deheretic wrote: > > > I knew exactly what you meant Gabby, and the skiing comment was a attempt > > to > > > inject humor and I don't ski either, neither before or after my metal > > knees. > > > > > > You and I both know moral obligations vary from person to person incident > > to > > > incident and are all situationally based > > > > > > Because I do not know Bryan, I would be only guessing to say that he is > > > fairly young, and from the sounds of > > > it subjected to fundamentalist christianity and is in the process of > > > rejecting it. Which I can not fault him for. > > > > > > Could it possible be a simple side step to allow and see how someone > > > responds, or am supposed to come out with some minor tidbit of fact like > > the > > > incident of Paul being healed by God from a poisonous snake bite > > > on Malta could never have occurred because there are no poisonous snakes > > on > > > Malta. > > > > > > Now your turn Gabby and No Waffling > > > > > > do we as humans have moral obligations ( beyond the obvious , dont > > > murder , steal , lie ect. ) > > > > > > if so , what are these obligations ? > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:57 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't ski either, Allan. What I meant by "waffle" is: "to talk > > > > foolishly or without purpose; idle away time talking." Backed up by a > > > > dictionary reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/waffle > > > > > > > > And what's your excuse for trying to find a way to show that I don't > > > > know what I am saying? Instead of checking the dictionary yourself? > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:29 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > No Gabby we do have moral obligations and are expected to meet them > > > > within > > > > > our abilities with out excuses. > > > > > Allan > > > > > but waffling isn't that what you do zipping down a ski slope?.. I > > would > > > > not > > > > > know I don't ski.. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:22 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> What you do is waffle, Allan. Do you feel that this is the best way > > to > > > > >> avoid any obligations? > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:56 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > We all live in a world together, what is harm for one person, may > > not > > > > be > > > > >> > for > > > > >> > another, Everyone needs to be aware of the effect we are having on > > > > >> > our environment and those around us. To often it is simple ignored > > or > > > > >> > excuse > > > > >> > made. > > > > >> > Allan > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:44 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Careful, Allan. A moral obligation would be to do something > > rathen > > > > than > > > > >> >> to > > > > >> >> not do anything. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:41 AM, iam deheretic < > > [email protected]> > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> "Do no Harm." > > > > >> >>> Allan > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:51 AM, the taoist shaman > > > > >> >>> <[email protected]> > > > > >> >>> wrote: > > > > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> do we as humans have moral obligations ( beyond the obvious , > > dont > > > > >> >>>> murder , steal , lie ect. ) > > > > >> >>>> > > > > >> >>>> if so , what are these obligations ? > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> -- > > > > >> >>> ( > > > > >> >>> ) > > > > >> >>> I_D Allan > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > >> >>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > ( > > > > >> > ) > > > > >> > I_D Allan > > > > >> > > > > > >> > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > >> > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > > > we as humans have free will and the power of creation --- god like > > atributes---- being given these atibutes---- arnt we obligated to use > > them to take bad t
hings and turn them into good > > > > > > > > yes allan i was rased christian , but family doesnt go to church and > > all that, wether jesus was god , son of god , messanger of god , all > > of thee above ? i think at the least messanger , .... yes i belive > > jesus was the son of god and holds power in heaven , but was buddha , > > quezelcoat, ect. different forms of the same deity / spirit , there is > > only 1 god , who speeksto all people im 25 > > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, obviously the bible was writen by the jews and not god and some rhetoric used ( good story telling ) , jesus said he was the son of man ( marry ) , he also said he was the son of god , but he also said we are all gods children , which rases the question what did he mean by the son of god , if you look close at his words and actions , he belived in peace , but did he belive in achieveing peace peacefully? he set his own death up ( judis was given a bad rep by hist ) as a means of makeing a statment , his life that statment as well , he said , i come not to bring peace but war , he was a rebel , his statment was to not fear death for you will live again in the next world , and he led by example , he said that he was taught by his father before him , in the old testament when the jews deffeted an enimy they killed evry man woman child and animal then burned the city , it seems he belives in bloody revolution , the jews an example of a people oppressed time and again throughout history but they continue , example to the rest of us , a lot of revelution theses days, hard times for alot of people but its a beautiful thing ... sort of like taoism thought without action is a thoughtless action i have read carlos castanata ... . . . he was brilliant .... . . . but at times..... . . .? any hoo... the ideas , actions , self sacrifice , and world wide impact of jesus makes him a god no matter what your definition might be! LOL, but on the inside. or you might say ....... scream violent wispers of peace through harmonious contention -LOL i dont know if youll get that
