On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:25 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > A person who believes in a living Being instead of a dead nature , and > believes in virtue can be said to be having a spiritual > experience.Individuals , in my opinion , are mortals and on death the > conscious entity that is the self-sense becomes one with the Being > which is beyond consciousness , or it may be said that the self-sense > being just an illusion ceases to be on the death of an organism. >
Is this part of some organized religion or is it something that you just make up as you go along? If the latter, can you share the rationale behind your beliefs? On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Chuck Bowling > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:45 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but rather the > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. > > > > So god had some kind of nervous twitch and farted out a universe? Ok, as > > realities go that sounds like as good an explanation as any other. What > > leads you to that belief? > > > >> > >> He doesn't look at > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , rather > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in His > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can really lay down > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather thinkers among > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and accepted by us > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider this life > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > > > If this life is the spiritual experience the implication is that the > spirit > > is mortal. If that is the case what's the difference between a spiritual > and > > a non-spiritual life experience? > > > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, [email protected] > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey Chuck, > >> >> > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > >> >> > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything has Gods hand > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant then God you are > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > >> > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are concepts that > >> > help > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. Whether it be > to > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to provide us a path > >> > to > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two differant plants to > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of it's own, but > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real way you are > the > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all that it does, as > >> >> you have designed it. > >> > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A much easier > >> > task > >> > than the original design. > >> > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily accept the > >> > possibility > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I think that > >> > anything > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be omniscient to us. > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that any entity that > >> > could > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest resemblance to > >> > anything we describe as a god. > >> > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to me: > >> > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn lame. I mean > >> > come > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or set fire to a > wax > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send me to hell for > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot piece of > tail? > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > >> > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a better way of > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an eternity. Even we > >> > lowly > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best way to > convince > >> > 'em > >> > to mend their ways. > >> > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then at a minimum > he > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In this one there > >> > are an > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 > >> > stars > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that with all that > >> > stuff > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have better things to > do > >> > than > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with a brand new > >> > bike on > >> > his birthday. > >> > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of this would see > us > >> > as > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > >> > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is it God doing > it > >> >> > > ? > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the strength to do > >> >> > > it. > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do anything wouldn't > come > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > my mind. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can you be more > >> >> > specific? > >> >> > Is he providing your mitochondria with more ADP or is he upping > your > >> >> > serotonin or dopamine levels to give you a greater feeling of > reward > >> >> > for > >> >> > your accomplishments? > >> >> > > >> >> > And, if so, can you tell me exactly how he does that? I mean, is he > >> >> > causing > >> >> > re-uptake inhibition or is he actually producing a greater volume > of > >> >> > chemical messengers at the synapse? > >> >> > > >> >> > I guess if it's psychological strength it would have to be the > >> >> > latter. > >> >> > If it > >> >> > were greater physical strength then you'd probably be able to lift > >> >> > cars > >> >> > off > >> >> > the ground. > >> > > > > > >
