I'm only half blind but my mind will never be gone because I keep it locked in a filing cabinet.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:31 AM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > whatever I am not blind yet and my mind is not totally gone. > Allan > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:35 AM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> allan, you are wrong on all counts... >> >> On Apr 23, 12:55 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Orn Gabby pushing your buttons is not against the rules, but >> > your blunt promotion of organizations and people are I do believe is. >> The >> > main function of a moderator is to keep people from running spam, like >> the >> > shit you run . you have the right address Orn the spammer >> > Allan >> > >> > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM, ornamentalmind < >> [email protected] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > wrote: >> > > The truth here gabby is that this is a moderated group. It is not a >> > > democracy. You have never liked this truth. >> > >> > > And, the truth is that I have had issues with moderated groups over >> > > the years too so to some extent understand why it may not taste so >> > > good to you. The difference is that for this one little group which as >> > > you so rightly point out has long ago lost most of its active >> > > membership, the moderation is what kept it going as an active and >> > > vital group during its zenith. >> > >> > > The truth is you and I differ on whether an email group should be >> > > moderated. I believe it should. >> > >> > > The truth is that railing against the reality of moderation and >> > > continuing to post to and be a member of a moderated group is just not >> > > accepting reality. >> > >> > > The truth is that your self-defined ‘open provocation’ is and always >> > > has been blatant trolling…something that this group has never >> > > accepted… something the group creators agreed to reject from the >> > > moment of Minds Eye’s conception. >> > >> > > The truth is that you need only be ‘nervous’ if you want to continue >> > > to post here yet cannot adapt to and accept this simple reality. >> > >> > > You have had this pointed out to you on more than one occasion by more >> > > than one moderator. You continue to ignore reality. Do so at your own >> > > peril. >> > >> > > On Apr 23, 2:28 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > All right. Subtle trolling is a good definition for spinning. >> Agreed. >> > >> > > > Now as for my intension or the purpose of my last posting here: it >> was >> > > meant >> > > > to be an open provocation to get you out of your comfort zone. And >> it >> > > > worked. You responded. Too late for my personal taste, the group has >> > > almost >> > > > ceased to be. But then let's hope I am wrong. I'll ask you again, >> don't >> > > you >> > > > think it's time to follow the Dalai Lama's example and update the >> methods >> > > of >> > > > how leaders are elected and how their roles are defined? Are you the >> only >> > > > one left here to decide what is right and what is wrong? Are we >> dependent >> > > on >> > > > how nervous your fingers get over the ban button? What is the truth >> apart >> > > > from the make-belief that is being displayed here? >> > >> > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:27 AM, ornamentalmind >> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > ....subtle, yet trolling nonetheless. Cease. >> > >> > > > > On Apr 22, 1:58 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > (syncing to making flat assumptions:) Ah, so that's why God >> doesn't >> > > send >> > > > > ME >> > > > > > responses to my questions and I'll have to be forever afraid of >> God's >> > > > > next >> > > > > > fart that will blow me on the moderation list. >> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:05 PM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > RP, thanks again for responding. >> > >> > > > > > > I'll assume that you don't believe that god thinks >> conceptually the >> > > > > > > way humans do, correct?...no thinking using words either, >> right? >> > >> > > > > > > On Apr 22, 7:07 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates >> from Him >> > > and >> > > > > > > > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to >> be >> > > aware >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not >> conceive of >> > > Him >> > > > > > > > to be conscious in the way that we are because our >> consciousness >> > > > > > > > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is >> conscious >> > > in >> > > > > > > > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of >> all >> > > as >> > > > > He >> > > > > > > > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth >> and >> > > death >> > > > > > > > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent >> can >> > > be >> > > > > > > > called an illusion. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind >> > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at >> all?...that >> > > all >> > > > > > > > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? >> > >> > > > > > > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common >> notions of >> > > > > what >> > > > > > > > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one >> is >> > > > > doing? >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , >> but >> > > rather >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He >> doesn't >> > > > > look at >> > > > > > > > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , >> rather >> > > > > > > > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in >> His >> > > > > > > > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can >> really >> > > lay >> > > > > down >> > > > > > > > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather >> > > thinkers >> > > > > among >> > > > > > > > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and >> > > accepted by >> > > > > us >> > > > > > > > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider >> this >> > > life >> > > > > > > > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling >> > >> > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, >> > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> Hey Chuck, >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything >> has >> > > Gods >> > > > > > > hand >> > > > > > > > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant >> then >> > > God >> > > > > you >> > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They >> are >> > > > > concepts >> > > > > > > that help >> > > > > > > > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. >> > > Whether >> > > > > it be >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to >> provide >> > > us >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > path to >> > > > > > > > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two >> differant >> > > > > plants >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of >> it's >> > > own, >> > > > > but >> > > > > > > > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real >> way >> > > you >> > > > > are >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all >> that >> > > it >> > > > > does, >> > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > >> >> you have designed it. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. >> A >> > > much >> > > > > easier >> > > > > > > task >> > > > > > > > >> > than the original design. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily >> accept >> > > the >> > > > > > > possibility >> > > > > > > > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I >> > > think >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > anything >> > > > > > > > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be >> > > omniscient >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > us. >> > > > > > > > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that >> any >> > > entity >> > > > > > > that could >> > > > > > > > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest >> > > > > resemblance >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > >> > anything we describe as a god. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to >> me: >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn >> > > lame. I >> > > > > mean >> > > > > > > come >> > > > > > > > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or >> set >> > > fire >> > > > > to a >> > > > > > > wax >> > > > > > > > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send >> me >> > > to >> > > > > hell >> > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a >> hot >> > > piece >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > tail? >> > > > > > > > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a >> better >> > > way >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an >> eternity. >> > > Even >> > > > > we >> > > > > > > lowly >> > > > > > > > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the >> best way >> > > to >> > > > > > > convince 'em >> > > > > > > > >> > to mend their ways. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality >> then at >> > > a >> > > > > > > minimum he >> > > > > > > > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In >> this >> > > one >> > > > > > > there are an >> > > > > > > > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's >> > > > > > > 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars >> > > > > > > > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that >> with >> > > all >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > stuff >> > > > > > > > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have >> better >> > > > > things to >> > > > > > > do than >> > > > > > > > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered >> with a >> > > brand >> > > > > new >> > > > > > > bike on >> > > > > > > > >> > his birthday. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of >> this >> > > > > would >> > > > > > > see us as >> > > > > > > > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling < >> > > > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh < >> > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is >> it >> > > God >> > > > > doing >> > > > > > > it ? >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the >> > > strength >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > do it. >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do >> anything >> > > > > wouldn't >> > > > > > > come to >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > my mind. >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can >> you >> > > be >> > > > > more >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more » > > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >
