On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:35 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote:
> allan, you are wrong on all counts... > > On Apr 23, 12:55 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Orn Gabby pushing your buttons is not against the rules, but > > your blunt promotion of organizations and people are I do believe is. The > > main function of a moderator is to keep people from running spam, like > the > > shit you run . you have the right address Orn the spammer > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > The truth here gabby is that this is a moderated group. It is not a > > > democracy. You have never liked this truth. > > > > > And, the truth is that I have had issues with moderated groups over > > > the years too so to some extent understand why it may not taste so > > > good to you. The difference is that for this one little group which as > > > you so rightly point out has long ago lost most of its active > > > membership, the moderation is what kept it going as an active and > > > vital group during its zenith. > > > > > The truth is you and I differ on whether an email group should be > > > moderated. I believe it should. > > > > > The truth is that railing against the reality of moderation and > > > continuing to post to and be a member of a moderated group is just not > > > accepting reality. > > > > > The truth is that your self-defined ‘open provocation’ is and always > > > has been blatant trolling…something that this group has never > > > accepted… something the group creators agreed to reject from the > > > moment of Minds Eye’s conception. > > > > > The truth is that you need only be ‘nervous’ if you want to continue > > > to post here yet cannot adapt to and accept this simple reality. > > > > > You have had this pointed out to you on more than one occasion by more > > > than one moderator. You continue to ignore reality. Do so at your own > > > peril. > > > > > On Apr 23, 2:28 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > All right. Subtle trolling is a good definition for spinning. Agreed. > > > > > > Now as for my intension or the purpose of my last posting here: it > was > > > meant > > > > to be an open provocation to get you out of your comfort zone. And it > > > > worked. You responded. Too late for my personal taste, the group has > > > almost > > > > ceased to be. But then let's hope I am wrong. I'll ask you again, > don't > > > you > > > > think it's time to follow the Dalai Lama's example and update the > methods > > > of > > > > how leaders are elected and how their roles are defined? Are you the > only > > > > one left here to decide what is right and what is wrong? Are we > dependent > > > on > > > > how nervous your fingers get over the ban button? What is the truth > apart > > > > from the make-belief that is being displayed here? > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:27 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > ....subtle, yet trolling nonetheless. Cease. > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:58 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > (syncing to making flat assumptions:) Ah, so that's why God > doesn't > > > send > > > > > ME > > > > > > responses to my questions and I'll have to be forever afraid of > God's > > > > > next > > > > > > fart that will blow me on the moderation list. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:05 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > RP, thanks again for responding. > > > > > > > > > I'll assume that you don't believe that god thinks conceptually > the > > > > > > > way humans do, correct?...no thinking using words either, > right? > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 7:07 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates from > Him > > > and > > > > > > > > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to be > > > aware > > > > > of > > > > > > > > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not > conceive of > > > Him > > > > > > > > to be conscious in the way that we are because our > consciousness > > > > > > > > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is > conscious > > > in > > > > > > > > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of > all > > > as > > > > > He > > > > > > > > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth > and > > > death > > > > > > > > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent > can > > > be > > > > > > > > called an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at > all?...that > > > all > > > > > > > > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? > > > > > > > > > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common > notions of > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one > is > > > > > doing? > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but > > > rather > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He > doesn't > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , > rather > > > > > > > > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in > His > > > > > > > > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can > really > > > lay > > > > > down > > > > > > > > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather > > > thinkers > > > > > among > > > > > > > > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and > > > accepted by > > > > > us > > > > > > > > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider > this > > > life > > > > > > > > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Hey Chuck, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything > has > > > Gods > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant > then > > > God > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > > > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are > > > > > concepts > > > > > > > that help > > > > > > > > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. > > > Whether > > > > > it be > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to > provide > > > us > > > > > a > > > > > > > path to > > > > > > > > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two > differant > > > > > plants > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of > it's > > > own, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real > way > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all > that > > > it > > > > > does, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > >> >> you have designed it. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A > > > much > > > > > easier > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > >> > than the original design. > > > > > > > > > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily > accept > > > the > > > > > > > possibility > > > > > > > > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I > > > think > > > > > that > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be > > > omniscient > > > > > to > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that > any > > > entity > > > > > > > that could > > > > > > > > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest > > > > > resemblance > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > anything we describe as a god. > > > > > > > > > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to > me: > > > > > > > > > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn > > > lame. I > > > > > mean > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or > set > > > fire > > > > > to a > > > > > > > wax > > > > > > > > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send > me > > > to > > > > > hell > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot > > > piece > > > > > of > > > > > > > tail? > > > > > > > > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a > better > > > way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an > eternity. > > > Even > > > > > we > > > > > > > lowly > > > > > > > > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best > way > > > to > > > > > > > convince 'em > > > > > > > > >> > to mend their ways. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then > at > > > a > > > > > > > minimum he > > > > > > > > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In > this > > > one > > > > > > > there are an > > > > > > > > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's > > > > > > > 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars > > > > > > > > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that > with > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have > better > > > > > things to > > > > > > > do than > > > > > > > > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with > a > > > brand > > > > > new > > > > > > > bike on > > > > > > > > >> > his birthday. > > > > > > > > > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of > this > > > > > would > > > > > > > see us as > > > > > > > > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling < > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is > it > > > God > > > > > doing > > > > > > > it ? > > > > > > > > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the > > > strength > > > > > to > > > > > > > do it. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do > anything > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > come to > > > > > > > > >> >> > > my mind. > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can > you > > > be > > > > > more > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
