Yes next time :) Australia is a pretty big place. From Sydney you were still one or two countries (by English measurements) away from me - 1000 kms.
On May 13, 12:14 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Amanda, > > It's a great pity that I could not afford the time or cash to pop over > to see you when I was in Sydney the other month, I think we missed out > on some good beer and talk, perhaps the next time. > > Yes that is great insight. We of course cannot know (just yet) how > other animals feel or emote or reason. As to why we call our codes of > behaviour morals, I guess that is simply the label we humans use to > describe such things. > > On May 12, 2:50 pm, AmandaRheen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what she would think. Couching the question in that way > > is at some level denying lions a version of a behaviour code separate > > to human definition and values. I know that lion mothers do attack a > > new male lion in an attempt to defend her cubs likely deaths – does > > she think he deserves it or is it just a series of justifiably felt > > actions and reactions played out in the context of lion capable > > courses of action? Similar to people really at the end of the day me > > thinks. I suspect people only call their codes of behaviour morals > > because we either see ourselves as ‘not animals’ or we are not > > objective enough to observe our own behaviours the way we observe > > other species. > > > My original response to PSK was focused on the words ‘natural law’ > > rather than the word ‘deserving’ I was thinking more along the lines > > of Newton’s Law – you know equal, opposite reactions and all that. > > > It makes me realize that I don’t conceptualize the word ‘deserve’ very > > clearly or often. It usually surprises me to hear someone else say > > “someone deserved something” Especially regarding adults, it seems > > that what others call ‘deserves’ – I am more inclined to think of as > > an outcome gotten from varying combinations of persistence and luck. > > I guess in the case of Osama the persistence and luck was claimed by > > the other party within the interaction. > > > On May 12, 7:19 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Derserve in this context is again about morality, and so I must say > > > that it is a human concept and takes no place in the natural word, > > > apart from of course humanity being part of nature. > > > > Would a lion mother think that a male lion who eat her cub and then > > > fell to it's death deserves it? > > > > On May 12, 9:12 am, AmandaRheen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Maybe it does come back to what you say – a crude neutralizing of > > > > equation. Maybe it is connected to the Golden Rule – do unto others > > > > as you would have them do unto you. Most other religions or > > > > philosophies have some similar sort of rule phrased a bit > > > > differently. > > > > If not connected to something prescribed then natural law really is > > > > about realigning a sense of acceptable power between people. Maybe as > > > > a species people do have an innate sense of acceptable power limits in > > > > that respect regardless of culture and history. I have sometimes > > > > wondered if my own tendency to not taking revenge is actually a > > > > behaviour or attitude in myself that makes me a bit defective in > > > > comparison to others. > > > > > On May 12, 1:35 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I was reading about natural law..and a though came to my mind ...in > > > > > connection to revenge...and the concept of 'deserving' what someone > > > > > gets..recent example osama deserved to die for what he did...what i > > > > > mean is...is it natural...or universally presumed ...like in the > > > > > language to 'forgive' ...not give ...give back....give back what is > > > > > due...the same injury...i cant go into detail at the moment but this > > > > > what the jist is...is it a crude neutralising of equation...is that > > > > > what it all comes down to in simple terms- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
