How does one explain/deal with the differences of "mastery" of various stages of development among people- i.e. being out of sync- how can that not affect us?
On Jul 15, 5:45 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't recall saying anything about God-state. Speaking for myself, > I am multi faceted and multi dimensional, body, mind and spirit (in > One). My experience is full of it all. But I do not dwell on > psychological complexities and am not a junkie. My relationship to > myself, my experience, and others (all one) is dynamic, and what > occurs in my life in the moment is an expression of who I AM. When my > mind is clear, it is filled with my eternal presence (for lack of a > better word) and not my ego, thoughts and emotions - although when > those arise to mind, they are recognized as an expression of life. > > On Jul 14, 8:25 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When your mind is clear of thought , feeling , sensation , etc. and > > there is just an experience of being and nothing else, what makes you > > think that it is God-state ? If that is God-state why are you still a > > miserable being when you come out of it ? Why are junkies still > > junkies ? If I am not mistaken some junkies have this experience of > > supreme bliss. > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling, > > > sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the > > > eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will preoccupy > > > itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to > > > life. There is more to me. All ways more. > > > > On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hey Molly, > > > >> Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping it > > >> alive. > > > >> The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like > > >> running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs? > > > >> So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. Like > > >> without the brain there would be no mind. > > > >> It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a > > >> funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so as I > > >> say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the > > >> mind, yes even our own minds. > > > >> I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have > > >> throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and > > >> wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place in > > >> the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is > > >> still all taking place in my brain. > > > >> Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something about > > >> my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way > > >> that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my > > >> spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice > > >> things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From' > > > >> Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant of > > >> my brain? > > > >> Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. Yet > > >> dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since my > > >> birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non dyslexic > > >> would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to > > >> ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life. > > > >> What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could > > >> say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these > > >> experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances, > > >> includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the > > >> meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has > > >> taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not encountered > > >> one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise. > > > >> Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other > > >> pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can > > >> happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it to > > >> 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than a > > >> few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to remind > > >> yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions of > > >> the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal. > > > >> It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is, > > >> and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant > > >> meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in the > > >> brain. > > > >> Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest possibel > > >> way. > > > >> The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the mind > > >> exists. > > > >> On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) could > > >> > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, liver, > > >> > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends, > > >> > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in > > >> > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in the > > >> > mind. > > > >> > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an awareness > > >> > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me out of > > >> > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may not > > >> > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the > > >> > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind is > > >> > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is non > > >> > local, and that is the infinite aspect. > > > >> > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > Molly says: > > > >> > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or "aware" of > > >> > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is more > > >> > > than the mind in each and every one of us' > > > >> > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, no > > >> > > working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see your own > > >> > > reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to study your > > >> > > own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see no > > >> > > problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you use to > > >> > > study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything? > > > >> > > On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Dear RP - > > > >> > > > Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to the > > >> > > > discovery > > >> > > > of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being > > >> > > > perfect > > >> > > > food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under fire > > >> > > > this > > >> > > > last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber for all > > >> > > > uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of plants, > > >> > > > can > > >> > > > it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and merit > > >> > > > this > > >> > > > personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much > > >> > > > harm? I do > > >> > > > now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like five of > > >> > > > them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That is how > > >> > > > I > > >> > > > figure it. > > > >> > > > Much Peace, > > > >> > > > Tony > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: [email protected] > > >> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > >> > > > Behalf Of RP Singh > > >> > > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM > > >> > > > To: "Minds Eye" > > >> > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment > > > >> > > > The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply a > > >> > > > state > > >> > > > of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be > > >> > > > attained > > >> > > > through concentration or substance - use. It is the mind which is > > >> > > > aware and as the mind is finite , whatever it is aware of is also > > >> > > > finite. The very fact that the so-called transcendental state can > > >> > > > be > > >> > > > experienced through use of entheogens casts a doubt about its > > >> > > > spiritual nature. A person experiences such a state and when he > > >> > > > comes > > >> > > > out of it is just his ordinary self. God-state cannot be > > >> > > > experienced > > >> > > > by any being as it is beyond experience and can only be > > >> > > > understood. We > > >> > > > find it difficult to accept that we are mortal and hence believe in > > >> > > > re-incarnation etc. The fact is that the " I " has nowhere to go > > >> > > > on > > >> > > > the death of the organism , it is simply an attribute of life and > > >> > > > is > > >> > > > no more on the death of the body , and is thus just an " illusion > > >> > > > " . > > >> > > > This is , of course , my reading of the matter and can be > > >> > > > erroneous as > > >> > > > my reason is not infallible and is subject to my limitations.- > > >> > > > Hide quoted text - > > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
