I have to correct your impression, Allan. I was pretty oblivious to politics until 2000 though I voted- often for independents like Anderson, what's his name with the charts and big ears, and the Lebanese guy with lemons and love for his mother- not very astute, I'd say.Didn't like beta Gore, thought Kerry was a fortune-hunter, never believed either Clinton- or Johnson. Well, I could go on but as you can see I am erratic- yes- I voted for Goldwater!!! But I also voted for McGovern, later!!! As for Reagan, I was also indifferent but a friend put up any nasty cartoon about him she could find on her fridge to the point of obsession. I did notice great political intensity with friends who were younger by 9 or 10 years but much less with those my own age. But why, is a different topic.
Anyway, there is enough to blame on both sides of the aisle and frankly I think politics are nasty and don't think I would have been a suffragette and wasn't a bra-burning militant feminist though I read a few books- Friedan, Millet, Greer- and was unimpressed-they just sounded frustrated and foolish. Maybe I was ruined by literature! I was watching "A House Divided" about the Lincolns and honestly thought they had severe psychological problems. Oh well- try to be merciful... On Aug 8, 2:08 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > You are a smart woman Rigsy and have watched the political situation through > many presidents ... You do remember Reagan don't you? remember the > great Reaganomics the great economic plan put forth by the Republican Party > and their stooge Reagan? What you are seeing is the effect of this economic > and government policies put forth by the republican party and their > leadership blindly cling to denying all responsibility for the problems. > > I do not see the complaining about the expiring of the Bush Tax cuts as he > immediately increased the national debt by five trillion under > the guidance total approval of a republican controlled house and senate. It > is a Republican controlled house and senate that jumped on the Bush/Iraq war > band wagon. Their actions bringing on the need to go several more trillion > in debt to trying to dig the country out of the economic. > > ALL POLITICIANS NEED TO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS THEY HAVE > CAUSED!!!!!! that includes both parties.. All politicians need to get off > the corporate bribary dole the fancy meal private air craft gold games ao > they can get exclusive access to bribe them this reelection funds if the do > what they want.. > > Until the people of world take control of all of their governments and stop > listing propaganda but out to deceive them.. doubt of that happening the > Republicans have successfully created a nation unable understand what is > going on.. > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I think Obama will be re-elected or we will face riots. > > > Well, that may be the case. I obviously think he's wrong on his economic > > views and the current situation after 2 and a half years of his policies > > would seem to bear that out to a reasonably minded person. However, he's not > > all bad. He's doing a bang-up job killing terrorists. Getting us embroiled > > in two extra wars by executive privilege probably wasn't a good idea but > > he's still a foreign policy rookie so I'm willing to cut him some slack. > > Besides, as Orn says, it's good for the economy to keep our warriors busy. > > He's made a few other good decisions such as abandoning the silly notion of > > trying terrorists on US soil and closing Gitmo and letting the Bush tax cuts > > expire. It's entirely likely he will eventually come around on other > > important issues as well as we get closer to November 2012. Our credit > > rating agencies have hopefully forced him to recognize the error of his ways > > and he will reform before elections take it out of his hands. One can only > > hope for the best but prepare for the worst. > > > As much as the media is in his pocket it's disturbing to me how he's > > squandered his chances of making some real headway in repairing the economy. > > It's staggering really. To paraphrase Pink Floyd: > > > what have we done obama what have we done > > what have we done to America > > should we shout should we scream > > "what happened to the post war dream?" > > oh obama obama what have we done? > > > dj > > >> On Aug 6, 4:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hm. I disagree with describing the times as febrile. Stagnate is more > >> like > >> > it. Perhaps the day traders are febrile but I have no respect or > >> sympathy > >> > for them. The 500 pt. drop on the DOW represents a run to cash. > >> Motivated > >> > less by fear, I think, then exasperation with a President and a Congress > >> > that fail to see the gravity of the situation and have the guts to do > >> > something about it. A government unwilling to even take half-measures to > >> > begin a recovery. In short, a response to cowardice and ineptitude. The > >> > deficit most trying us now isn't that of GDP to revenue it's lack of > >> > competent leadership. Instead we have a 'leader' completely blaming one > >> > branch of the government for all the problems as if 6 straight years of > >> > Democratic control of Congress had nothing to do with our current > >> problems. > >> > It shouldn't be that hard to admit there's plenty of blame to share > >> between > >> > all the branches including the Federal Reserve. Less partisanship and > >> more > >> > focus please. > > >> > Unfortunately for us too much attention has been on deliberately > >> increasing > >> > the role of government in people's lives. It's expensive and it's > >> > inefficient. I understand TARP. I understand spending your way out of a > >> > recession. Perhaps it would be a good time to step up road repair and > >> bridge > >> > building and whatever infrastructure we might need in the next few years > >> and > >> > just borrow and get it done NOW. More importantly though we need a clear > >> and > >> > honest effort to reign in the reckless spending on entitlements. Our > >> future > >> > depends on it. Too much has been promised and the hard decisions on how > >> to > >> > break those promises have to be made but clearly they won't be by Barack > >> > Obama or this Congress. Hard times are coming; ya'll ain't seen nothing > >> yet. > > >> > Vote change in 2012. > > >> > dj > > >> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I hear you, rigsy. > > >> > > Considering markets are often way ahead of the economic cycle, caution > >> > > might have best described the market lethargy prior to the fear driven > >> > > "correction" of the past week, all considered. The global economy has > >> > > gradually but steadily been absorbing higher commodities pricing, re- > >> > > configuring economic value space, and re-balancing global growth. It's > >> > > curious and unusual to see the markets well behind the curve, and > >> > > thats the work of naked fear, and opportunistic speculation (no > >> > > criticism, just observation). > > >> > > The S&P action, unfortunate in its timing, is more a political rebuke > >> > > than a meaningful statement of financial "risk"; and yes, it's > >> > > significance is disproportionate; these are febrile times. > > >> > > On Aug 6, 2:10 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > I would correct the term fear to caution which is a natural > >> component > >> > > > of foresight. Some might call it a sizing up. For some reason, I am > >> > > > thinking of Ulysses- Homer's, not Grant. Perhaps the purpose of the > >> > > > Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared"? Of course we cannot control all the > >> > > > factors that affect us in life but that brings to mind the over- > >> > > > controlled life versus one that adapts and is flexible- the extremes > >> > > > of being set in one's ways and the dewy naif who trusts all- > >> > > > everything and everybody. > > >> > > > I find it troubling that the lead headline is S&P's rating versus > >> the > >> > > > loss of our Special Forces. > > >> > > > I have long thought that many survival/social instincts begin in the > >> > > > nursery among siblings as they vie for attention, position within > >> the > >> > > > family- like children seem to hop on their own branch on the family > >> > > > tree in order to be unique or special. Those "skills" carry forward > >> > > > into school cliques and later work and social roles. > > >> > > > Some have commented that S&P has no business rating anything since > >> it > >> > > > is a private company or that the USA can carry any debt it pleases > >> > > > since it is the SuperPower above and beyond ordinary rules and > >> > > > policies. > > >> > > > On Aug 5, 6:43 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > I recall an earlier post in which rigsy suggested an enduring > >> adaptive > >> > > > > value to the emotion of Fear; i was thinking about this today in > >> the > >> > > > > context of the global market gymnastics this week, akin to a > >> neurotic > >> > > > > on steroids; nothing fundamental or new in global economic terms > >> has > >> > > > > changed this week, no new notable insights of structurally > >> significant > >> > > > > proportions; in short, nothing new. Yet, we're 10%+ and 3 trillion > >> > > > > dollars worse of on Friday than we were this time last week. Was > >> this > >> > > > > not essentially what we developed Foresight to counterbalance, i > >> > > > > wonder?- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
