I purposely chose the impression versus the record. It's how poilticians get elected, isn't it?
I know you must have meant incidentally re Clinton/Oprah. :-) Yes- that is a great organization- so is http;//www.heifer.org. I have run the anti-Bush43 course on another forum in the past. But there are strands that weave our policies that include other administrations- an overlap. No- I enjoyed your post- thanks. On Aug 8, 12:36 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry Rigsy,, interesting you and many others talk about personality,, it > seems that never relates to actions or accomplishments.. > > Indecently a few years back Bill Clinton was on Oprah promoting Kiva ,, > Kiva is all about micro loans helping people.. I stuck around $200 into > it.. lost some money on one loan.. but that is okay. there is $21.99 in my > Kiva credit before long it will reach $25.oo I will make another loan > along with a group of other investors I have $158.34 in out > standing loans.. > This very minor amount of money I have made 43 loans of $25 each all around > the world.. including the US this is not a donation it is a loan. have > never had more fun playing banker with my $200. than I have had playing with > anything I have bought.http://www.kiva.org/if you are interested I will > send you an invite but you do not need one to help that is if you are > interested. > > I have made those 43 (ongoing) as the results of the efforts of Bill > Clinton (he makes loans too) that is looking at the effect a person has not > his personality.. When you talk about government you have to look at what > they do not their personalities. What has the weasel Bush done.. wrote > his memoirs. when he leaves his hide out (a political bribe ) he has to have > a high severity team to prevent him from being killed. he came over here to > Europe and was run out of town.. > > I believe ex Senator Dole the Senate Republican major and Bush Buddy > was indicted of FELONY charges in Texas the sate he represented.. > > Being a Senator or Representative in the USA should be about what they can > do to protect the all of the people not how much money they can get in > bribery.. by what ever means needed. > > My apologies for ragging on. > Allan > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:34 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have to correct your impression, Allan. I was pretty oblivious to > > politics until 2000 though I voted- often for independents like > > Anderson, what's his name with the charts and big ears, and the > > Lebanese guy with lemons and love for his mother- not very astute, I'd > > say.Didn't like beta Gore, thought Kerry was a fortune-hunter, never > > believed either Clinton- or Johnson. Well, I could go on but as you > > can see I am erratic- yes- I voted for Goldwater!!! But I also voted > > for McGovern, later!!! As for Reagan, I was also indifferent but a > > friend put up any nasty cartoon about him she could find on her fridge > > to the point of obsession. I did notice great political intensity with > > friends who were younger by 9 or 10 years but much less with those my > > own age. But why, is a different topic. > > > Anyway, there is enough to blame on both sides of the aisle and > > frankly I think politics are nasty and don't think I would have been a > > suffragette and wasn't a bra-burning militant feminist though I read a > > few books- Friedan, Millet, Greer- and was unimpressed-they just > > sounded frustrated and foolish. Maybe I was ruined by literature! I > > was watching "A House Divided" about the Lincolns and honestly thought > > they had severe psychological problems. > > > Oh well- try to be merciful... > > > On Aug 8, 2:08 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You are a smart woman Rigsy and have watched the political situation > > through > > > many presidents ... You do remember Reagan don't you? remember the > > > great Reaganomics the great economic plan put forth by the Republican > > Party > > > and their stooge Reagan? What you are seeing is the effect of this > > economic > > > and government policies put forth by the republican party and their > > > leadership blindly cling to denying all responsibility for the problems. > > > > I do not see the complaining about the expiring of the Bush Tax cuts as > > he > > > immediately increased the national debt by five trillion under > > > the guidance total approval of a republican controlled house and senate. > > It > > > is a Republican controlled house and senate that jumped on the Bush/Iraq > > war > > > band wagon. Their actions bringing on the need to go several more > > trillion > > > in debt to trying to dig the country out of the economic. > > > > ALL POLITICIANS NEED TO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS THEY > > HAVE > > > CAUSED!!!!!! that includes both parties.. All politicians need to get > > off > > > the corporate bribary dole the fancy meal private air craft gold games > > ao > > > they can get exclusive access to bribe them this reelection funds if the > > do > > > what they want.. > > > > Until the people of world take control of all of their governments and > > stop > > > listing propaganda but out to deceive them.. doubt of that happening the > > > Republicans have successfully created a nation unable understand what > > is > > > going on.. > > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> I think Obama will be re-elected or we will face riots. > > > > > Well, that may be the case. I obviously think he's wrong on his > > economic > > > > views and the current situation after 2 and a half years of his > > policies > > > > would seem to bear that out to a reasonably minded person. However, > > he's not > > > > all bad. He's doing a bang-up job killing terrorists. Getting us > > embroiled > > > > in two extra wars by executive privilege probably wasn't a good idea > > but > > > > he's still a foreign policy rookie so I'm willing to cut him some > > slack. > > > > Besides, as Orn says, it's good for the economy to keep our warriors > > busy. > > > > He's made a few other good decisions such as abandoning the silly > > notion of > > > > trying terrorists on US soil and closing Gitmo and letting the Bush tax > > cuts > > > > expire. It's entirely likely he will eventually come around on other > > > > important issues as well as we get closer to November 2012. Our credit > > > > rating agencies have hopefully forced him to recognize the error of his > > ways > > > > and he will reform before elections take it out of his hands. One can > > only > > > > hope for the best but prepare for the worst. > > > > > As much as the media is in his pocket it's disturbing to me how he's > > > > squandered his chances of making some real headway in repairing the > > economy. > > > > It's staggering really. To paraphrase Pink Floyd: > > > > > what have we done obama what have we done > > > > what have we done to America > > > > should we shout should we scream > > > > "what happened to the post war dream?" > > > > oh obama obama what have we done? > > > > > dj > > > > >> On Aug 6, 4:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Hm. I disagree with describing the times as febrile. Stagnate is > > more > > > >> like > > > >> > it. Perhaps the day traders are febrile but I have no respect or > > > >> sympathy > > > >> > for them. The 500 pt. drop on the DOW represents a run to cash. > > > >> Motivated > > > >> > less by fear, I think, then exasperation with a President and a > > Congress > > > >> > that fail to see the gravity of the situation and have the guts to > > do > > > >> > something about it. A government unwilling to even take > > half-measures to > > > >> > begin a recovery. In short, a response to cowardice and ineptitude. > > The > > > >> > deficit most trying us now isn't that of GDP to revenue it's lack of > > > >> > competent leadership. Instead we have a 'leader' completely blaming > > one > > > >> > branch of the government for all the problems as if 6 straight years > > of > > > >> > Democratic control of Congress had nothing to do with our current > > > >> problems. > > > >> > It shouldn't be that hard to admit there's plenty of blame to share > > > >> between > > > >> > all the branches including the Federal Reserve. Less partisanship > > and > > > >> more > > > >> > focus please. > > > > >> > Unfortunately for us too much attention has been on deliberately > > > >> increasing > > > >> > the role of government in people's lives. It's expensive and it's > > > >> > inefficient. I understand TARP. I understand spending your way out > > of a > > > >> > recession. Perhaps it would be a good time to step up road repair > > and > > > >> bridge > > > >> > building and whatever infrastructure we might need in the next few > > years > > > >> and > > > >> > just borrow and get it done NOW. More importantly though we need a > > clear > > > >> and > > > >> > honest effort to reign in the reckless spending on entitlements. Our > > > >> future > > > >> > depends on it. Too much has been promised and the hard decisions on > > how > > > >> to > > > >> > break those promises have to be made but clearly they won't be by > > Barack > > > >> > Obama or this Congress. Hard times are coming; ya'll ain't seen > > nothing > > > >> yet. > > > > >> > Vote change in 2012. > > > > >> > dj > > > > >> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM, paradox <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > I hear you, rigsy. > > > > >> > > Considering markets are often way ahead of the economic cycle, > > caution > > > >> > > might have best described the market lethargy prior to the fear > > driven > > > >> > > "correction" of the past week, all considered. The global economy > > has > > > >> > > gradually but steadily been absorbing higher commodities pricing, > > re- > > > >> > > configuring economic value space, and re-balancing global growth. > > It's > > > >> > > curious and unusual to see the markets well behind the curve, and > > > >> > > thats the work of naked fear, and opportunistic speculation (no > > > >> > > criticism, just observation). > > > > >> > > The S&P action, unfortunate in its timing, is more a political > > rebuke > > > >> > > than a meaningful statement of financial "risk"; and yes, it's > > > >> > > significance is disproportionate; these are febrile times. > > > > >> > > On Aug 6, 2:10 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > I would correct the term fear to caution which is a natural > > > >> component > > > >> > > > of foresight. Some might call it a sizing up. For some reason, I > > am > > > >> > > > thinking of Ulysses- Homer's, not Grant. 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