I think Kiva is more fun and you get your money back so you can loan it again. Allan
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I purposely chose the impression versus the record. It's how > poilticians get elected, isn't it? > > I know you must have meant incidentally re Clinton/Oprah. :-) Yes- > that is a great organization- so is http;//www.heifer.org. > > I have run the anti-Bush43 course on another forum in the past. But > there are strands that weave our policies that include other > administrations- an overlap. > > No- I enjoyed your post- thanks. > > > > On Aug 8, 12:36 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry Rigsy,, interesting you and many others talk about personality,, > it > > seems that never relates to actions or accomplishments.. > > > > Indecently a few years back Bill Clinton was on Oprah promoting Kiva ,, > > Kiva is all about micro loans helping people.. I stuck around $200 into > > it.. lost some money on one loan.. but that is okay. there is $21.99 in > my > > Kiva credit before long it will reach $25.oo I will make another loan > > along with a group of other investors I have $158.34 in out > > standing loans.. > > This very minor amount of money I have made 43 loans of $25 each all > around > > the world.. including the US this is not a donation it is a loan. have > > never had more fun playing banker with my $200. than I have had playing > with > > anything I have bought.http://www.kiva.org/if you are interested I will > > send you an invite but you do not need one to help that is if you are > > interested. > > > > I have made those 43 (ongoing) as the results of the efforts of Bill > > Clinton (he makes loans too) that is looking at the effect a person has > not > > his personality.. When you talk about government you have to look at what > > they do not their personalities. What has the weasel Bush done.. wrote > > his memoirs. when he leaves his hide out (a political bribe ) he has to > have > > a high severity team to prevent him from being killed. he came over here > to > > Europe and was run out of town.. > > > > I believe ex Senator Dole the Senate Republican major and Bush Buddy > > was indicted of FELONY charges in Texas the sate he represented.. > > > > Being a Senator or Representative in the USA should be about what they > can > > do to protect the all of the people not how much money they can get in > > bribery.. by what ever means needed. > > > > My apologies for ragging on. > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:34 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to correct your impression, Allan. I was pretty oblivious to > > > politics until 2000 though I voted- often for independents like > > > Anderson, what's his name with the charts and big ears, and the > > > Lebanese guy with lemons and love for his mother- not very astute, I'd > > > say.Didn't like beta Gore, thought Kerry was a fortune-hunter, never > > > believed either Clinton- or Johnson. Well, I could go on but as you > > > can see I am erratic- yes- I voted for Goldwater!!! But I also voted > > > for McGovern, later!!! As for Reagan, I was also indifferent but a > > > friend put up any nasty cartoon about him she could find on her fridge > > > to the point of obsession. I did notice great political intensity with > > > friends who were younger by 9 or 10 years but much less with those my > > > own age. But why, is a different topic. > > > > > Anyway, there is enough to blame on both sides of the aisle and > > > frankly I think politics are nasty and don't think I would have been a > > > suffragette and wasn't a bra-burning militant feminist though I read a > > > few books- Friedan, Millet, Greer- and was unimpressed-they just > > > sounded frustrated and foolish. Maybe I was ruined by literature! I > > > was watching "A House Divided" about the Lincolns and honestly thought > > > they had severe psychological problems. > > > > > Oh well- try to be merciful... > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:08 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You are a smart woman Rigsy and have watched the political situation > > > through > > > > many presidents ... You do remember Reagan don't you? remember > the > > > > great Reaganomics the great economic plan put forth by the Republican > > > Party > > > > and their stooge Reagan? What you are seeing is the effect of this > > > economic > > > > and government policies put forth by the republican party and their > > > > leadership blindly cling to denying all responsibility for the > problems. > > > > > > I do not see the complaining about the expiring of the Bush Tax cuts > as > > > he > > > > immediately increased the national debt by five trillion under > > > > the guidance total approval of a republican controlled house and > senate. > > > It > > > > is a Republican controlled house and senate that jumped on the > Bush/Iraq > > > war > > > > band wagon. Their actions bringing on the need to go several more > > > trillion > > > > in debt to trying to dig the country out of the economic. > > > > > > ALL POLITICIANS NEED TO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS > THEY > > > HAVE > > > > CAUSED!!!!!! that includes both parties.. All politicians need to > get > > > off > > > > the corporate bribary dole the fancy meal private air craft gold > games > > > ao > > > > they can get exclusive access to bribe them this reelection funds if > the > > > do > > > > what they want.. > > > > > > Until the people of world take control of all of their governments > and > > > stop > > > > listing propaganda but out to deceive them.. doubt of that happening > the > > > > Republicans have successfully created a nation unable understand > what > > > is > > > > going on.. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> I think Obama will be re-elected or we will face riots. > > > > > > > Well, that may be the case. I obviously think he's wrong on his > > > economic > > > > > views and the current situation after 2 and a half years of his > > > policies > > > > > would seem to bear that out to a reasonably minded person. However, > > > he's not > > > > > all bad. He's doing a bang-up job killing terrorists. Getting us > > > embroiled > > > > > in two extra wars by executive privilege probably wasn't a good > idea > > > but > > > > > he's still a foreign policy rookie so I'm willing to cut him some > > > slack. > > > > > Besides, as Orn says, it's good for the economy to keep our > warriors > > > busy. > > > > > He's made a few other good decisions such as abandoning the silly > > > notion of > > > > > trying terrorists on US soil and closing Gitmo and letting the Bush > tax > > > cuts > > > > > expire. It's entirely likely he will eventually come around on > other > > > > > important issues as well as we get closer to November 2012. Our > credit > > > > > rating agencies have hopefully forced him to recognize the error of > his > > > ways > > > > > and he will reform before elections take it out of his hands. One > can > > > only > > > > > hope for the best but prepare for the worst. > > > > > > > As much as the media is in his pocket it's disturbing to me how > he's > > > > > squandered his chances of making some real headway in repairing the > > > economy. > > > > > It's staggering really. To paraphrase Pink Floyd: > > > > > > > what have we done obama what have we done > > > > > what have we done to America > > > > > should we shout should we scream > > > > > "what happened to the post war dream?" > > > > > oh obama obama what have we done? > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 4:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Hm. I disagree with describing the times as febrile. Stagnate is > > > more > > > > >> like > > > > >> > it. Perhaps the day traders are febrile but I have no respect or > > > > >> sympathy > > > > >> > for them. The 500 pt. drop on the DOW represents a run to cash. > > > > >> Motivated > > > > >> > less by fear, I think, then exasperation with a President and a > > > Congress > > > > >> > that fail to see the gravity of the situation and have the guts > to > > > do > > > > >> > something about it. A government unwilling to even take > > > half-measures to > > > > >> > begin a recovery. In short, a response to cowardice and > ineptitude. > > > The > > > > >> > deficit most trying us now isn't that of GDP to revenue it's > lack of > > > > >> > competent leadership. Instead we have a 'leader' completely > blaming > > > one > > > > >> > branch of the government for all the problems as if 6 straight > years > > > of > > > > >> > Democratic control of Congress had nothing to do with our > current > > > > >> problems. > > > > >> > It shouldn't be that hard to admit there's plenty of blame to > share > > > > >> between > > > > >> > all the branches including the Federal Reserve. Less > partisanship > > > and > > > > >> more > > > > >> > focus please. > > > > > > >> > Unfortunately for us too much attention has been on deliberately > > > > >> increasing > > > > >> > the role of government in people's lives. It's expensive and > it's > > > > >> > inefficient. I understand TARP. I understand spending your way > out > > > of a > > > > >> > recession. Perhaps it would be a good time to step up road > repair > > > and > > > > >> bridge > > > > >> > building and whatever infrastructure we might need in the next > few > > > years > > > > >> and > > > > >> > just borrow and get it done NOW. More importantly though we need > a > > > clear > > > > >> and > > > > >> > honest effort to reign in the reckless spending on entitlements. > Our > > > > >> future > > > > >> > depends on it. Too much has been promised and the hard decisions > on > > > how > > > > >> to > > > > >> > break those promises have to be made but clearly they won't be > by > > > Barack > > > > >> > Obama or this Congress. Hard times are coming; ya'll ain't seen > > > nothing > > > > >> yet. > > > > > > >> > Vote change in 2012. > > > > > > >> > dj > > > > > > >> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM, paradox <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > I hear you, rigsy. > > > > > > >> > > Considering markets are often way ahead of the economic cycle, > > > caution > > > > >> > > might have best described the market lethargy prior to the > fear > > > driven > > > > >> > > "correction" of the past week, all considered. The global > economy > > > has > > > > >> > > gradually but steadily been absorbing higher commodities > pricing, > > > re- > > > > >> > > configuring economic value space, and re-balancing global > growth. > > > It's > > > > >> > > curious and unusual to see the markets well behind the curve, > and > > > > >> > > thats the work of naked fear, and opportunistic speculation > (no > > > > >> > > criticism, just observation). > > > > > > >> > > The S&P action, unfortunate in its timing, is more a political > > > rebuke > > > > >> > > than a meaningful statement of financial "risk"; and yes, it's > > > > >> > > significance is disproportionate; these are febrile times. > > > > > > >> > > On Aug 6, 2:10 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > I would correct the term fear to caution which is a natural > > > > >> component > > > > >> > > > of foresight. Some might call it a sizing up. For some > reason, I > > > am > > > > >> > > > thinking of Ulysses- Homer's, not Grant. Perhaps the purpose > of > > > the > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
