That is the one we are talking about.. need to end the cronyism.. I think the parties are good but not when they control the membership and how they vote... Mike Mansfield the old Montana Senator and Majority leader had a policy as he told it to me .. "If it is good for Montana it passes, if it is bad for Montana , it failed.. and if it did not effect Montana it took its own course..
He represented Montana and not the democratic party to day it seems they only represent the political party and not the state they represent. It is a real problem as corporations and the extremely rich people are buying votes.. Allan On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > You're talking about Tom DeLay. Republican and former majority leader > in the house. Represented Sugarland which is part of the greater > Houston area. Got busted for funneling cash from corps. to Texas > politicians. 3 years in prison I think. Good riddance. Doesn't appear > like Bush's much ballyhoo'ed 'cronyism' has done much for his buddies > DeLay and Libby. > > Yeah, DeLay was know as "the Hammer" and was a force to be reckoned > with back in the day. Now he's prison bound. Which reminds me of a > song... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi6YHWjy3uU&feature=fvst > > Incidentally, Texas just closed this prison Lead Belly is singing > about. In Sugarland. Sweet. > > dj > > > On Aug 8, 12:36 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry Rigsy,, interesting you and many others talk about personality,, > it > > seems that never relates to actions or accomplishments.. > > > > Indecently a few years back Bill Clinton was on Oprah promoting Kiva ,, > > Kiva is all about micro loans helping people.. I stuck around $200 into > > it.. lost some money on one loan.. but that is okay. there is $21.99 in > my > > Kiva credit before long it will reach $25.oo I will make another loan > > along with a group of other investors I have $158.34 in out > > standing loans.. > > This very minor amount of money I have made 43 loans of $25 each all > around > > the world.. including the US this is not a donation it is a loan. have > > never had more fun playing banker with my $200. than I have had playing > with > > anything I have bought.http://www.kiva.org/if you are interested I will > > send you an invite but you do not need one to help that is if you are > > interested. > > > > I have made those 43 (ongoing) as the results of the efforts of Bill > > Clinton (he makes loans too) that is looking at the effect a person has > not > > his personality.. When you talk about government you have to look at what > > they do not their personalities. What has the weasel Bush done.. wrote > > his memoirs. when he leaves his hide out (a political bribe ) he has to > have > > a high severity team to prevent him from being killed. he came over here > to > > Europe and was run out of town.. > > > > I believe ex Senator Dole the Senate Republican major and Bush Buddy > > was indicted of FELONY charges in Texas the sate he represented.. > > > > Being a Senator or Representative in the USA should be about what they > can > > do to protect the all of the people not how much money they can get in > > bribery.. by what ever means needed. > > > > My apologies for ragging on. > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:34 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to correct your impression, Allan. I was pretty oblivious to > > > politics until 2000 though I voted- often for independents like > > > Anderson, what's his name with the charts and big ears, and the > > > Lebanese guy with lemons and love for his mother- not very astute, I'd > > > say.Didn't like beta Gore, thought Kerry was a fortune-hunter, never > > > believed either Clinton- or Johnson. Well, I could go on but as you > > > can see I am erratic- yes- I voted for Goldwater!!! But I also voted > > > for McGovern, later!!! As for Reagan, I was also indifferent but a > > > friend put up any nasty cartoon about him she could find on her fridge > > > to the point of obsession. I did notice great political intensity with > > > friends who were younger by 9 or 10 years but much less with those my > > > own age. But why, is a different topic. > > > > > Anyway, there is enough to blame on both sides of the aisle and > > > frankly I think politics are nasty and don't think I would have been a > > > suffragette and wasn't a bra-burning militant feminist though I read a > > > few books- Friedan, Millet, Greer- and was unimpressed-they just > > > sounded frustrated and foolish. Maybe I was ruined by literature! I > > > was watching "A House Divided" about the Lincolns and honestly thought > > > they had severe psychological problems. > > > > > Oh well- try to be merciful... > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:08 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You are a smart woman Rigsy and have watched the political situation > > > through > > > > many presidents ... You do remember Reagan don't you? remember > the > > > > great Reaganomics the great economic plan put forth by the Republican > > > Party > > > > and their stooge Reagan? What you are seeing is the effect of this > > > economic > > > > and government policies put forth by the republican party and their > > > > leadership blindly cling to denying all responsibility for the > problems. > > > > > > I do not see the complaining about the expiring of the Bush Tax cuts > as > > > he > > > > immediately increased the national debt by five trillion under > > > > the guidance total approval of a republican controlled house and > senate. > > > It > > > > is a Republican controlled house and senate that jumped on the > Bush/Iraq > > > war > > > > band wagon. Their actions bringing on the need to go several more > > > trillion > > > > in debt to trying to dig the country out of the economic. > > > > > > ALL POLITICIANS NEED TO ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS > THEY > > > HAVE > > > > CAUSED!!!!!! that includes both parties.. All politicians need to > get > > > off > > > > the corporate bribary dole the fancy meal private air craft gold > games > > > ao > > > > they can get exclusive access to bribe them this reelection funds if > the > > > do > > > > what they want.. > > > > > > Until the people of world take control of all of their governments > and > > > stop > > > > listing propaganda but out to deceive them.. doubt of that happening > the > > > > Republicans have successfully created a nation unable understand > what > > > is > > > > going on.. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> I think Obama will be re-elected or we will face riots. > > > > > > > Well, that may be the case. I obviously think he's wrong on his > > > economic > > > > > views and the current situation after 2 and a half years of his > > > policies > > > > > would seem to bear that out to a reasonably minded person. However, > > > he's not > > > > > all bad. He's doing a bang-up job killing terrorists. Getting us > > > embroiled > > > > > in two extra wars by executive privilege probably wasn't a good > idea > > > but > > > > > he's still a foreign policy rookie so I'm willing to cut him some > > > slack. > > > > > Besides, as Orn says, it's good for the economy to keep our > warriors > > > busy. > > > > > He's made a few other good decisions such as abandoning the silly > > > notion of > > > > > trying terrorists on US soil and closing Gitmo and letting the Bush > tax > > > cuts > > > > > expire. It's entirely likely he will eventually come around on > other > > > > > important issues as well as we get closer to November 2012. Our > credit > > > > > rating agencies have hopefully forced him to recognize the error of > his > > > ways > > > > > and he will reform before elections take it out of his hands. One > can > > > only > > > > > hope for the best but prepare for the worst. > > > > > > > As much as the media is in his pocket it's disturbing to me how > he's > > > > > squandered his chances of making some real headway in repairing the > > > economy. > > > > > It's staggering really. To paraphrase Pink Floyd: > > > > > > > what have we done obama what have we done > > > > > what have we done to America > > > > > should we shout should we scream > > > > > "what happened to the post war dream?" > > > > > oh obama obama what have we done? > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 4:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Hm. I disagree with describing the times as febrile. Stagnate is > > > more > > > > >> like > > > > >> > it. Perhaps the day traders are febrile but I have no respect or > > > > >> sympathy > > > > >> > for them. The 500 pt. drop on the DOW represents a run to cash. > > > > >> Motivated > > > > >> > less by fear, I think, then exasperation with a President and a > > > Congress > > > > >> > that fail to see the gravity of the situation and have the guts > to > > > do > > > > >> > something about it. A government unwilling to even take > > > half-measures to > > > > >> > begin a recovery. In short, a response to cowardice and > ineptitude. > > > The > > > > >> > deficit most trying us now isn't that of GDP to revenue it's > lack of > > > > >> > competent leadership. Instead we have a 'leader' completely > blaming > > > one > > > > >> > branch of the government for all the problems as if 6 straight > years > > > of > > > > >> > Democratic control of Congress had nothing to do with our > current > > > > >> problems. > > > > >> > It shouldn't be that hard to admit there's plenty of blame to > share > > > > >> between > > > > >> > all the branches including the Federal Reserve. Less > partisanship > > > and > > > > >> more > > > > >> > focus please. > > > > > > >> > Unfortunately for us too much attention has been on deliberately > > > > >> increasing > > > > >> > the role of government in people's lives. It's expensive and > it's > > > > >> > inefficient. I understand TARP. I understand spending your way > out > > > of a > > > > >> > recession. Perhaps it would be a good time to step up road > repair > > > and > > > > >> bridge > > > > >> > building and whatever infrastructure we might need in the next > few > > > years > > > > >> and > > > > >> > just borrow and get it done NOW. More importantly though we need > a > > > clear > > > > >> and > > > > >> > honest effort to reign in the reckless spending on entitlements. > Our > > > > >> future > > > > >> > depends on it. Too much has been promised and the hard decisions > on > > > how > > > > >> to > > > > >> > break those promises have to be made but clearly they won't be > by > > > Barack > > > > >> > Obama or this Congress. Hard times are coming; ya'll ain't seen > > > nothing > > > > >> yet. > > > > > > >> > Vote change in 2012. > > > > > > >> > dj > > > > > > >> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM, paradox <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > I hear you, rigsy. > > > > > > >> > > Considering markets are often way ahead of the economic cycle, > > > caution > > > > >> > > might have best described the market lethargy prior to the > fear > > > driven > > > > >> > > "correction" of the past week, all considered. The global > economy > > > has > > > > >> > > gradually but steadily been absorbing higher commodities > pricing, > > > re- > > > > >> > > configuring economic value space, and re-balancing global > growth. > > > It's > > > > >> > > curious and unusual to see the markets well behind the curve, > and > > > > >> > > thats the work of naked fear, and opportunistic speculation > (no > > > > >> > > criticism, just observation). > > > > > > >> > > The S&P action, unfortunate in its timing, is more a political > > > rebuke > > > > >> > > than a meaningful statement of financial "risk"; and yes, it's > > > > >> > > significance is disproportionate; these are febrile times. > > > > > > >> > > On Aug 6, 2:10 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > I would correct the term fear to caution which is a natural > > > > >> component > > > > >> > > > of foresight. Some might call it a sizing up. For some > reason, I > > > am > > > > >> > > > thinking of Ulysses- Homer's, not Grant. Perhaps the purpose > of > > > the > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
