Gee I always thought Rome was the dark ages.. they contributed little to nothing for the advancement of civilization. And they did not invent cement.. that was stolen for a eastren civilization. Allan
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:12 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > When Rome burned, the Dark Ages began. > > On Aug 20, 7:51 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders. > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders are > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action. > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > .. > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full of > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did see > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it casts a > > > very different view that our riots were really only history repeating > > > itself. > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk reactions' > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at the > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very frustrating > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again in > > > wider social action. > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) |_D Allan
