Rome belongs to the Classical Age. USA was modeled on their Republic. Considering all the sand in the East, it's understandable they tried to do something with it.
On Aug 22, 2:32 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Gee I always thought Rome was the dark ages.. they contributed little to > nothing for the advancement of civilization. And they did not invent > cement.. that was stolen for a eastren civilization. > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:12 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > When Rome burned, the Dark Ages began. > > > On Aug 20, 7:51 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders. > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders are > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action. > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > > .. > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full of > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did see > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it casts a > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history repeating > > > > itself. > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk reactions' > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at the > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very frustrating > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again in > > > > wider social action. > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
