i like that phrase..... future sellers.... how wonderful you can be with words..... future sellers indeed....... but its sad that children will one day be children no more........ On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:55 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> God wants to see strong children who know what they know and therefore do > not fall prey to future sellers. > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hey Gabs, >> >> Wot? Now you have confussed me again. >> >> What are you talking baout now? >> >> On Aug 22, 1:52 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Argh, Lee, you fell for Molly's imagery and forgot to put enough wax >> into >> > your ears! >> > >> > Do you remember how proud you felt when your younger son apologized for >> > being selfish over not wanting to lend the PS3 game to his brother to >> take >> > it out of the house? Although his saying no in the beginning was >> probably >> > the most sensible reaction considering the experiences he had made and >> had >> > heard of up to that day? >> > >> > Seeing Rome burn and asking oneself what does this mean for me and mine >> > could have been the incentive to grab the bucket and extinguish the >> fire! >> > Which would have been a very social thing to do at that time! >> > >> > Another moral: Give your children time to find their own words for >> > their/they're meanings of our brandings. >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Because as a speices we are all rather insulare. We can't help but >> > > think and act according to 'how it effects us' as individuals, as >> > > small family units. >> > >> > > Instead of seing Rome burning and asking what does this mean for >> > > humanity we see it burn and ask instead, what does this mean for me >> > > and mine. >> > >> > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are >> > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders. >> > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in >> > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience >> > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders >> are >> > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same >> > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action. >> > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is >> > > > Rome burning. Why? >> > >> > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. >> > > .. >> > >> > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full >> of >> > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and >> > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did >> see >> > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the >> > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it >> casts a >> > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history >> repeating >> > > > > itself. >> > >> > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional >> response >> > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk >> reactions' >> > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many >> people >> > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at >> the >> > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence >> > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly >> > > > > dubious techniques. >> > >> > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant >> > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies >> and >> > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far >> more >> > > > > centralised than any politburo. >> > >> > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very >> frustrating >> > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human >> > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is >> > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be >> elitist >> > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' >> but >> > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again >> in >> > > > > wider social action. >> > >> > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people >> take >> > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted >> text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > -- EverComing
