Ahhh I see, I think. Molly asked;
'Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is Rome burning. Why?' My answer was saying that we all witness and understand an event by what it means to us. We rarely ask what it means for others and me and mine is almost firstmost in our minds. Yes some are aultristic, and some are not. An inevitable consequense of population boom and the overgrowding that comes with it may well be that aulterism suffers as more people get the urge to lookout first and foermost for thenmselves and those close to them, perhaps? On Aug 23, 11:22 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Selfishness. You had your boy apologizing for being selfish. You reminded > Molly of this aspect of altruism. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Hey Don, > > > Really I mean that I am confused at what Gabs post has to do with my > > reply to Molly. > > > On Aug 23, 9:56 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > *Caveat emptor. * > > > * > > > * > > > *Maybe she means sellers of ideas but I'm not entirely sure. It's fun to > > > guess though! I'm always asking my boy if he understands what's going on > > so > > > I can hear it in his own words. He's usually close if not always right. > > They > > > certainly do need to think for themselves as much as possible. > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > *dj* > > > * > > > * > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Meh! I'm still confused. > > > > > On Aug 22, 4:25 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > God wants to see strong children who know what they know and > > therefore do > > > > > not fall prey to future sellers. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Gabs, > > > > > > > Wot? Now you have confussed me again. > > > > > > > What are you talking baout now? > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 1:52 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Argh, Lee, you fell for Molly's imagery and forgot to put enough > > wax > > > > into > > > > > > > your ears! > > > > > > > > Do you remember how proud you felt when your younger son > > apologized > > > > for > > > > > > > being selfish over not wanting to lend the PS3 game to his > > brother to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > it out of the house? Although his saying no in the beginning was > > > > probably > > > > > > > the most sensible reaction considering the experiences he had > > made > > > > and > > > > > > had > > > > > > > heard of up to that day? > > > > > > > > Seeing Rome burn and asking oneself what does this mean for me > > and > > > > mine > > > > > > > could have been the incentive to grab the bucket and extinguish > > the > > > > fire! > > > > > > > Which would have been a very social thing to do at that time! > > > > > > > > Another moral: Give your children time to find their own words > > for > > > > > > > their/they're meanings of our brandings. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Because as a speices we are all rather insulare. We can't help > > but > > > > > > > > think and act according to 'how it effects us' as individuals, > > as > > > > > > > > small family units. > > > > > > > > > Instead of seing Rome burning and asking what does this mean > > for > > > > > > > > humanity we see it burn and ask instead, what does this mean > > for me > > > > > > > > and mine. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. > > We > > > > are > > > > > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social > > > > orders. > > > > > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes > > infinite > > > > in > > > > > > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new > > > > orders > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the > > > > same > > > > > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in > > > > action. > > > > > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or > > feel > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media > > was > > > > full > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue > > and > > > > > > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - > > though I > > > > did > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - > > it > > > > > > casts a > > > > > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk > > > > > > reactions' > > > > > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond > > many > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are > > weak > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to > > > > 'ignorant > > > > > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our > > societies > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way > > far > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very > > > > > > frustrating > > > > > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy > > is > > > > > > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to > > be > > > > > > elitist > > > > > > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with > > > > ideas' > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and > > time > > > > again > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions > > people > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide > > quoted > > > > text > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
