Yes indeed it is. I agree somewhat Rigsy, that is to say of course some do some don't. We really are an odd creature huh?
On Aug 23, 2:25 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I saw it differently. Sometimes what replaces the old is not so hot. > > Self-interest is part of our survival instinct, isn't it? Yet as we > become AWARE, we are able to sacrifice self-interest for the good/ > benefit of others because we see a longer, larger view of life. > > On Aug 23, 6:02 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ahhh I see, I think. > > > Molly asked; > > > 'Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is > > Rome burning. Why?' > > > My answer was saying that we all witness and understand an event by > > what it means to us. We rarely ask what it means for others and me > > and mine is almost firstmost in our minds. > > > Yes some are aultristic, and some are not. > > > An inevitable consequense of population boom and the overgrowding that > > comes with it may well be that aulterism suffers as more people get > > the urge to lookout first and foermost for thenmselves and those close > > to them, perhaps? > > > On Aug 23, 11:22 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Selfishness. You had your boy apologizing for being selfish. You reminded > > > Molly of this aspect of altruism. > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Lee Douglas > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Hey Don, > > > > > Really I mean that I am confused at what Gabs post has to do with my > > > > reply to Molly. > > > > > On Aug 23, 9:56 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *Caveat emptor. * > > > > > * > > > > > * > > > > > *Maybe she means sellers of ideas but I'm not entirely sure. It's fun > > > > > to > > > > > guess though! I'm always asking my boy if he understands what's going > > > > > on > > > > so > > > > > I can hear it in his own words. He's usually close if not always > > > > > right. > > > > They > > > > > certainly do need to think for themselves as much as possible. > > > > > * > > > > > * > > > > > * > > > > > *dj* > > > > > * > > > > > * > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Meh! I'm still confused. > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 4:25 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > God wants to see strong children who know what they know and > > > > therefore do > > > > > > > not fall prey to future sellers. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Gabs, > > > > > > > > > Wot? Now you have confussed me again. > > > > > > > > > What are you talking baout now? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 1:52 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Argh, Lee, you fell for Molly's imagery and forgot to put > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > wax > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > your ears! > > > > > > > > > > Do you remember how proud you felt when your younger son > > > > apologized > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > being selfish over not wanting to lend the PS3 game to his > > > > brother to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > it out of the house? Although his saying no in the beginning > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > the most sensible reaction considering the experiences he had > > > > made > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > heard of up to that day? > > > > > > > > > > Seeing Rome burn and asking oneself what does this mean for me > > > > and > > > > > > mine > > > > > > > > > could have been the incentive to grab the bucket and > > > > > > > > > extinguish > > > > the > > > > > > fire! > > > > > > > > > Which would have been a very social thing to do at that time! > > > > > > > > > > Another moral: Give your children time to find their own words > > > > for > > > > > > > > > their/they're meanings of our brandings. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Because as a speices we are all rather insulare. We can't > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > think and act according to 'how it effects us' as > > > > > > > > > > individuals, > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > small family units. > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of seing Rome burning and asking what does this mean > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > humanity we see it burn and ask instead, what does this mean > > > > for me > > > > > > > > > > and mine. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the > > > > > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > We > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable > > > > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > orders. > > > > > > > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes > > > > infinite > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > orders > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > feel > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > > > > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our > > > > > > > > > > > > media > > > > was > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - > > > > though I > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above > > > > > > > > > > > > link > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years > > > > > > > > > > > > ago - > > > > it > > > > > > > > casts a > > > > > > > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only > > > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of > > > > > > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than > > > > > > > > > > > > 'knee-jerk > > > > > > > > reactions' > > > > > > > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond > > > > many > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > weak > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very > > > > > > > > > > > > well - > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to > > > > > > 'ignorant > > > > > > > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our > > > > societies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > far > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > frustrating > > > > > > > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and > > > > > > > > > > > > resourceful > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - > > > > > > > > > > > > democracy > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > elitist > > > > > > > > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > ideas' > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and > > > > time > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions > > > > people > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide > > > > quoted > > > > > > text > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
