Agreed. But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people have added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." is most prominent.
Allan H wrote: > Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions are all > about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals and their > need to be important. > Allan > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are > > religions in east ! ] > > > > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, and > > not everything in any religion, is. > > > > > > > > Allan H wrote: > > > Vam you posted this: > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and > > > mental fear and reward. > > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it yet > > as > > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference, > > just > > > symantics > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Again : > > > > > > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" " > > > > > > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated. > > > > > > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown > > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ). > > > > > > > > Vam wrote: > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally > > > > > expressed here : > > > > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot. > > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of > > which > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal > > > > > values and truths." > > > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most > > that > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used > > are > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such > > a > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his > > intent! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many > > > > eastern > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with > > another > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and > > ideology > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical > > and > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of > > living > > > > do > > > > > > > > none of these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and > > > > Middle > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever ruined > > your > > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have a good > > > day. > > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good > day.
