Vam I know you know a lot more about Hinduism than I do.. and when my nephew married I read part of the Verdi other than in my opinion I think the people who wrote it brewed up and drank or "tied into" one heck of batch of kick-a-poop juice (Drug) and only Brahman knows what was in that drink.. Hinduism appeared to me to be a very monotheistic set of beliefs, ?emotions? such as anger being being a different a God.. 2 in a way it is pick and choose but each pick seems to have its own set of beliefs that would be defined as ideology even within all major major beliefs there are different sets of ideology (personally I would love to be able to talk to the old followers of "Thomas the Apostle of Jesus" before they he present day beliefs they had a totally different set of beliefs,, and there were people who could trace their families conversion all the way back to Thomas.. Promises it seems to me to have a well developed concept of afterlife and rebirth complete with its own set of rewards and punishments for your actions. and the lure of "enlightenment" well those robes do look kind of cool. Yes it is different than western beliefs but there are also a lot of similarities.. I personally find the similarities more interesting and I see no reason to change Hindi beliefs or culture, Allan
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > The Hinduism reference came from my entry on Twitter... > > " Y is #Hinduism NOT a religion ? 1/3 It doesn't ASSURE salvation, as > religions do. It says it's up2 us thru action, devotion, yoga n > jnana ! > > " Y is #Hinduism NOT a religion ? 2/3 It doesn't BELIEVE in one > defined ideology, as religions do. It believes in everything under the > sun. > > " Y is #Hinduism NOT a religion ? 3/3 It doesn't CONVERT to add > others, as religions do. It exhorts them to follow their own well, in > truth." > > Now test the above by the lexicon meaning of " promote " > 1. Further the progress of (something, esp. a cause, venture, or aim); > support or actively encourage. > 2. Give publicity to (a product, organization, or venture) so as to > increase sales or public awareness. > > The FaceBook entry was a copy of post in this thread : > > " Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation or ideology > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and > mental fear or reward. > > "Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of living do > none of these. They are therefore not religions as the people in the > West and Middle East believe in and understand !" > > Gabby, I normally avoid paying any attention to your posts. Your > trailing comment only confirms the waste and warp your observations > normally are. > > On the other hand, your comment only promotes yourself, since it adds > nothing to the discussion ! > > gabbydott wrote: > > Vam promoted Hinduism in this context on facebook. > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Neil by your standard then "chimps do atheism" > > > What a truism chimps have no God not even the concept of God > > > whether you like it or not atheism is a promoted religions > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Chimps do religion. > > >> > > >> On Sep 10, 1:04 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Sadly that is very true, I look at the man know as Jesus the son of > > >> Mary > > >> > not Jesus the christ.. although you have to modify a few words like > > >> changing > > >> > "son of God" to "beloved of God" and dump the harry potter story of > his > > >> > birth I think you can see the Dharma by which he lived his life.. > > >> > To me that is what is important.. not some magical formula.. A > person > > >> is > > >> > ultimately accountable for how they live this life and I would not > be > > >> > counting on another go round to live a better life. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Vam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > Agreed. > > >> > > > >> > > But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people > have > > >> > > added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." > is > > >> > > most prominent. > > >> > > > >> > > Allan H wrote: > > >> > > > Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major > religions > > >> are > > >> > > all > > >> > > > about minus the crap people have added to get their desired > goals > > >> and > > >> > > their > > >> > > > need to be important. > > >> > > > Allan > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there > are > > >> > > > > religions in east ! ] > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all > religions, > > >> and > > >> > > > > not everything in any religion, is. > > >> > > > >> > > > > Allan H wrote: > > >> > > > > > Vam you posted this: > > >> > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with > > >> another > > >> > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and > > >> ideology > > >> > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, > physical > > >> and > > >> > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > >> > > > > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not > effected > > >> by it > > >> > > yet > > >> > > > > as > > >> > > > > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no > > >> difference, > > >> > > > > just > > >> > > > > > symantics > > >> > > > > > Allan > > >> > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Again : > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" > " > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely > > >> outgrown > > >> > > > > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ). > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Vam wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with > thoughts > > >> > > generally > > >> > > > > > > > expressed here : > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western > construct, > > >> > > meaning as > > >> > > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for > salvation, > > >> > > believing > > >> > > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion > > >> drives > > >> > > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and > recycled > > >> loot. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole > > >> universe > > >> > > of > > >> > > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, > in > > >> and of > > >> > > > > which > > >> > > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of > which > > >> they > > >> > > are > > >> > > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us > to do > > >> the > > >> > > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the > > >> freedom and > > >> > > the > > >> > > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their > > >> respective > > >> > > > > > > > consequences. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord > to > > >> > > universal > > >> > > > > > > > values and truths." > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly > > >> monotheistic? > > >> > > Most > > >> > > > > that > > >> > > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as > you > > >> say > > >> > > some > > >> > > > > do. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the > > >> terms > > >> > > used > > >> > > > > are > > >> > > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all > cases > > >> in > > >> > > such > > >> > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have > been > > >> his > > >> > > > > intent! > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical > traditions > > >> to > > >> > > many > > >> > > > > > > eastern > > >> > > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three > things : > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is > entirely > > >> with > > >> > > > > another > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of > thought > > >> and > > >> > > > > ideology > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material > lure, > > >> > > physical > > >> > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and > polytheistic > > >> ways of > > >> > > > > living > > >> > > > > > > do > > >> > > > > > > > > > > none of these. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in > the > > >> West > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > > > Middle > > >> > > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand ! > > >> > > > >> > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > ( > > >> > > > > > ) > > >> > > > > > |_D Allan > > >> > > > >> > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has > ever > > >> ruined > > >> > > > > your > > >> > > > > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can > > >> have a > > >> > > good > > >> > > > > > day. > > >> > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > ( > > >> > > > ) > > >> > > > |_D Allan > > >> > > > >> > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has > ever > > >> > > ruined > > >> > > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can > > >> have a > > >> > > good > > >> > > > day. > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > ( > > >> > ) > > >> > |_D Allan > > >> > > > >> > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever > > >> ruined > > >> > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can > have a > > >> good > > >> > day. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever > ruined > > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a > good > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
