Vam promoted Hinduism in this context on facebook. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil by your standard then "chimps do atheism" > What a truism chimps have no God not even the concept of God > whether you like it or not atheism is a promoted religions > Allan > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chimps do religion. >> >> On Sep 10, 1:04 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Sadly that is very true, I look at the man know as Jesus the son of >> Mary >> > not Jesus the christ.. although you have to modify a few words like >> changing >> > "son of God" to "beloved of God" and dump the harry potter story of his >> > birth I think you can see the Dharma by which he lived his life.. >> > To me that is what is important.. not some magical formula.. A person >> is >> > ultimately accountable for how they live this life and I would not be >> > counting on another go round to live a better life. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Agreed. >> > >> > > But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people have >> > > added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." is >> > > most prominent. >> > >> > > Allan H wrote: >> > > > Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions >> are >> > > all >> > > > about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals >> and >> > > their >> > > > need to be important. >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are >> > > > > religions in east ! ] >> > >> > > > > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, >> and >> > > > > not everything in any religion, is. >> > >> > > > > Allan H wrote: >> > > > > > Vam you posted this: >> > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with >> another >> > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and >> ideology >> > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical >> and >> > > > > > mental fear and reward. >> > > > > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected >> by it >> > > yet >> > > > > as >> > > > > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no >> difference, >> > > > > just >> > > > > > symantics >> > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > Again : >> > >> > > > > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" " >> > >> > > > > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated. >> > >> > > > > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely >> outgrown >> > > > > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ). >> > >> > > > > > > Vam wrote: >> > > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts >> > > generally >> > > > > > > > expressed here : >> > >> > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, >> > > meaning as >> > > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, >> > > believing >> > > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion >> drives >> > > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled >> loot. >> > >> > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole >> universe >> > > of >> > > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in >> and of >> > > > > which >> > > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which >> they >> > > are >> > > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do >> the >> > > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the >> freedom and >> > > the >> > > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their >> respective >> > > > > > > > consequences. >> > >> > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to >> > > universal >> > > > > > > > values and truths." >> > >> > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly >> monotheistic? >> > > Most >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you >> say >> > > some >> > > > > do. >> > >> > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the >> terms >> > > used >> > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases >> in >> > > such >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been >> his >> > > > > intent! >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions >> to >> > > many >> > > > > > > eastern >> > > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : >> > > > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely >> with >> > > > > another >> > > > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought >> and >> > > > > ideology >> > > > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, >> > > physical >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic >> ways of >> > > > > living >> > > > > > > do >> > > > > > > > > > > none of these. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the >> West >> > > and >> > > > > > > Middle >> > > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand ! >> > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > ( >> > > > > > ) >> > > > > > |_D Allan >> > >> > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever >> ruined >> > > > > your >> > > > > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can >> have a >> > > good >> > > > > > day. >> > >> > > > -- >> > > > ( >> > > > ) >> > > > |_D Allan >> > >> > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever >> > > ruined >> > > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can >> have a >> > > good >> > > > day. >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > |_D Allan >> > >> > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever >> ruined >> > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a >> good >> > day. >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good > day. > > >
