Neil by your standard then "chimps do atheism" What a truism chimps have no God not even the concept of God whether you like it or not atheism is a promoted religions Allan
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Chimps do religion. > > On Sep 10, 1:04 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sadly that is very true, I look at the man know as Jesus the son of Mary > > not Jesus the christ.. although you have to modify a few words like > changing > > "son of God" to "beloved of God" and dump the harry potter story of his > > birth I think you can see the Dharma by which he lived his life.. > > To me that is what is important.. not some magical formula.. A person is > > ultimately accountable for how they live this life and I would not be > > counting on another go round to live a better life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Agreed. > > > > > But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people have > > > added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." is > > > most prominent. > > > > > Allan H wrote: > > > > Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions > are > > > all > > > > about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals and > > > their > > > > need to be important. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are > > > > > religions in east ! ] > > > > > > > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, > and > > > > > not everything in any religion, is. > > > > > > > Allan H wrote: > > > > > > Vam you posted this: > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and > ideology > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical > and > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > > > > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by > it > > > yet > > > > > as > > > > > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no > difference, > > > > > just > > > > > > symantics > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Again : > > > > > > > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" " > > > > > > > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated. > > > > > > > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely > outgrown > > > > > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ). > > > > > > > > > Vam wrote: > > > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts > > > generally > > > > > > > > expressed here : > > > > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, > > > meaning as > > > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, > > > believing > > > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives > > > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled > loot. > > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole > universe > > > of > > > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and > of > > > > > which > > > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which > they > > > are > > > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do > the > > > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom > and > > > the > > > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their > respective > > > > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to > > > universal > > > > > > > > values and truths." > > > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? > > > Most > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say > > > some > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms > > > used > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases > in > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been > his > > > > > intent! > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to > > > many > > > > > > > eastern > > > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely > with > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought > and > > > > > ideology > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, > > > physical > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic > ways of > > > > > living > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > none of these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the > West > > > and > > > > > > > Middle > > > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand ! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever > ruined > > > > > your > > > > > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have > a > > > good > > > > > > day. > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > |_D Allan > > > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever > > > ruined > > > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have > a > > > good > > > > day. > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever > ruined > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a > good > > day. > -- ( ) |_D Allan May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good day.
