Vam, this reply has made my day, not only is Einstein one of my biggest influences, but you have helped me understand better what I was trying to put out, people should not dissing the idea because it is not spelled out for them, I am promoting this idea not to see it achieved but to see progress in hopes that one day it will be achieved. As you pointed out we only see a tiny fraction of reality, my goal is to use what we can understand to try and make a state of Bavwu and as are intelligence improves so will the state we live in.
On Sep 13, 1:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Finishing, Completion, Full Comprehension... all the components of the > universe... > > Here's a quote : > > That is which is IMPENETRABLE to us really exists. Behind the SECRETS > of nature remains something SUBTLE, INTANGIBLE and INEXPLICABLE. > Veneration for that force beyond ANYTHING THAT WE CAN COMPREHEND is my > religion. > > Guess what... it's Einstein speaking. That's a matter for our spirits > however. In our pursuits, we necessarily have to deal with half > revelations, incomplete views and only some components of the > universe. For which, we need to identify the frontiers of those > elements and forces that make the darkness, injustice, unfairness, > poverty, waste, degradation, humiliation, indignity, corruption, fear, > violence, terror, intolerance... flow into our lives. And, having > identified one or few such frontier, we need to get right into the > conflict to do everything to reverse the flow and believe with all our > might that one day we'll succeed to banish them. > > On Sep 13, 6:46 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " "Perfectio(n)" thus literally means "a finishing" > > "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection > > > "Enlightenment in a secular context often means the "full > > comprehension of a situation",[1] but in spiritual terms the word > > alludes to a spiritual revelation or deep insight into the meaning and > > purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind > > of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed > > consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(spiritual)http://en.wikip...) > > > Total state of Bavwu - total comprehension of all systems that make up > > our universe and knowing our purpose of existence and being content > > with sustaining it. > > > Becoming bavwu - trying to comprehend all the components of the > > universe, and trying to have the will to do what is in it's advantage. > > > There will not be one set definition for this idea, there is stages > > and levels of it. > > > On Sep 12, 11:20 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Agree entirely with you, Allan ! > > > > Bavwu > > What is Perfection ? What is enlightenment ? And, then back > > > to, what is Bavwu ? > > > > This is the worst aspect of academics and romantics... let's have > > > something totally new ! > > > > F23k, I do not want something entirely new at all. I want the ground I > > > stand on. The lips I can kiss. The people I love. The trees and the > > > forests, flowers and animals. I definitely do not want something > > > entirely new, shitheads. I want the same things better, better > > > behaved, better valued. better harmonious. More happy, more regarded. > > > > Allan H wrote: > > > > Jo the original concept and definition of perfection is simply put > > > > 'Complete whole hearted and in balance' in other words You can even > > > > have > > > > something that appears to be malfunctioning but still doing the job it > > > > was > > > > designed to to.. you have a perfect tool. > > > > > When you create a word to explain something you do not understand does > > > > not > > > > make you enlightened. Words are easy to throw around,, then again i > > > > guess education is one form of enlightenment. In that realm there are > > > > some > > > > very enlightened people in this group. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Allen, I also searched the word Bavwu and this is what I found: > > > > > > "The collection of information regarding sustainability, perfection, > > > > > and the pursuit of enlightenment." > > > > > > "Bavwu is to be a collaborated collection of information presented is > > > > > such a way that anyone can benefit from it. Bavwu is a state of > > > > > totally stability and equalization between all components of the given > > > > > system. This is not your typical idea and it goes further then try and > > > > > be green. If we wish to transcend a system into a state of Bavwu we > > > > > must take every aspect of the system into consideration and do what is > > > > > best for the people's health, environment, and most of all the mental > > > > > effects it will have on the present and future generations. If > > > > > something is Bavwu it does not have negative effects and can continue > > > > > to supply a solution to the initial problem indefinitely." > > > > > > This thread is my first introduction to the word so I can't expound on > > > > > it. It would be nice to know more... > > > > > > On Sep 11, 10:07 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > sorry it still has no real meaning just one you attached to it, > > > > > > which is > > > > > no > > > > > > longer there unless you attach the meaning to it as you use it,, it > > > > > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > simplification of the language of it. > > > > > > > the problem with creating words is it is only your definition and > > > > > people > > > > > > change the meaning to fit what they want ending up with muggled > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > by the way muggle is a old slang term as in mugglehead a person > > > > > > who > > > > > > smoked to much pot or dope. the word at the time was used to > > > > > > indicate a > > > > > > fuzzy confused state of being. > > > > > > > Now the word is somewhere around a century old and there are only > > > > > > two > > > > > times > > > > > > I use the word 1: when I feel like explain it and its origin 2: > > > > > > when I > > > > > do > > > > > > not really want them to know what I said ( I have a whole series of > > > > > words > > > > > > for that (mainly for childish name calling)) and I never explain. > > > > > > The > > > > > third > > > > > > reason is to have people think I know and understand more than I > > > > > > really > > > > > do. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > Besides it is also not really pronounceable > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Bavwu - The optimal action for highest quality and sustainable > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 1:54 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I looked the word up and the truth is it has no meaning except > > > > > > > > that > > > > > which > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > person is trying to sell a bill of goods.. Trying > > > > > > > > to communicate is difficult enough adding words that really > > > > > > > > have no > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > or value except to sell a bill of goods the person can not > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > so he creates a word to add confusion. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess we barely understand language. Bavwu was never much > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > under fire. The first move needed is to disarm the rich > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > actual democracy, as they currently stop and meaningful > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > might bavwu. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:59 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I disagree because I know what you mean, Molly. Common > > > > > > > > > > language > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > result of agreed communication. Your pointless invitation > > > > > > > > > > proves > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > opposite. > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > common language is a good start > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 7:19 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I largely agree you last sentance highlights > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting humans to agree is an excersise in fultility, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > > > > 'know' to be right may indeed differ from what others > > > > > > > > > > > > 'know' > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:19 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inevitable trend becoming more and more > > > > > apparent as > > > > > > > > > > > > > globalization and technology is connecting us all and > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > booming > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the Information Age. Standard and quality of > > > > > > > > > > > > > living > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > increasing and we are getting more advanced, but the > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > climb > > > > > > > > > > > > > the more obvious it is that we did not start on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > foundation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greed and self interest have molded our world so > > > > > dramatically > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of Bavwu seems far out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living sustainable and advancing without side effect > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > our minds, it should be the first thought when > > > > > > > > > > > > > dealing with > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem we face. The bottom line needs to move away > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > money > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > self profit and to global stability and equal rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sustainability shouldn't even be our main goal, > > > > > sustainability > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be our lifestyle, while living that life we then > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > have > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > means to focus our brain power on more mental needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > forming > > > > > > > > > > > > > a new reality based on intellect and collaboration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology may be what we have been waiting for to > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the > > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > > > into our new collective global society. I believe we > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > technology to connect every person in the world, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > feel we > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole, we have all, or could learn all the solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > people > > > > > > > of > > ... > > read more »
