Orn that was a direct attack on you... and your abilities as a moderator Allan
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn I re read what I wrote and what you wrote. > Allan, your attitude as presented here is against our standards for > > > posting. > > > Please read > > >http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye/web/posting-guidelines > > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > OM > > > Moderator > What I wrote is a simple statement of fact.. wiki is not the ultimate > source for anything ,,it is an interesting view that is it.. > What you wrote and published my answer is a direct attack on me.. You need > to examine your own motives and thoughts.. > > Thank you for your cooperation > > Allan > Non Moderator > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Vam, this reply has made my day, not only is Einstein one of my >> biggest influences, but you have helped me understand better what I >> was trying to put out, people should not dissing the idea because it >> is not spelled out for them, I am promoting this idea not to see it >> achieved but to see progress in hopes that one day it will be >> achieved. As you pointed out we only see a tiny fraction of reality, >> my goal is to use what we can understand to try and make a state of >> Bavwu and as are intelligence improves so will the state we live in. >> >> On Sep 13, 1:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Finishing, Completion, Full Comprehension... all the components of the >> > universe... >> > >> > Here's a quote : >> > >> > That is which is IMPENETRABLE to us really exists. Behind the SECRETS >> > of nature remains something SUBTLE, INTANGIBLE and INEXPLICABLE. >> > Veneration for that force beyond ANYTHING THAT WE CAN COMPREHEND is my >> > religion. >> > >> > Guess what... it's Einstein speaking. That's a matter for our spirits >> > however. In our pursuits, we necessarily have to deal with half >> > revelations, incomplete views and only some components of the >> > universe. For which, we need to identify the frontiers of those >> > elements and forces that make the darkness, injustice, unfairness, >> > poverty, waste, degradation, humiliation, indignity, corruption, fear, >> > violence, terror, intolerance... flow into our lives. And, having >> > identified one or few such frontier, we need to get right into the >> > conflict to do everything to reverse the flow and believe with all our >> > might that one day we'll succeed to banish them. >> > >> > On Sep 13, 6:46 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > " "Perfectio(n)" thus literally means "a finishing" " >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection >> > >> > > "Enlightenment in a secular context often means the "full >> > > comprehension of a situation",[1] but in spiritual terms the word >> > > alludes to a spiritual revelation or deep insight into the meaning and >> > > purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind >> > > of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed >> > > consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity." >> > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(spiritual)http://en.wikip...) >> > >> > > Total state of Bavwu - total comprehension of all systems that make up >> > > our universe and knowing our purpose of existence and being content >> > > with sustaining it. >> > >> > > Becoming bavwu - trying to comprehend all the components of the >> > > universe, and trying to have the will to do what is in it's advantage. >> > >> > > There will not be one set definition for this idea, there is stages >> > > and levels of it. >> > >> > > On Sep 12, 11:20 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Agree entirely with you, Allan ! >> > >> > > > Bavwu > > What is Perfection ? What is enlightenment ? And, then >> back >> > > > to, what is Bavwu ? >> > >> > > > This is the worst aspect of academics and romantics... let's have >> > > > something totally new ! >> > >> > > > F23k, I do not want something entirely new at all. I want the ground >> I >> > > > stand on. The lips I can kiss. The people I love. The trees and the >> > > > forests, flowers and animals. I definitely do not want something >> > > > entirely new, shitheads. I want the same things better, better >> > > > behaved, better valued. better harmonious. More happy, more >> regarded. >> > >> > > > Allan H wrote: >> > > > > Jo the original concept and definition of perfection is simply >> put >> > > > > 'Complete whole hearted and in balance' in other words You can >> even have >> > > > > something that appears to be malfunctioning but still doing the >> job it was >> > > > > designed to to.. you have a perfect tool. >> > >> > > > > When you create a word to explain something you do not understand >> does not >> > > > > make you enlightened. Words are easy to throw around,, then again >> i >> > > > > guess education is one form of enlightenment. In that realm there >> are some >> > > > > very enlightened people in this group. >> > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jo <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Allen, I also searched the word Bavwu and this is what I found: >> > >> > > > > > "The collection of information regarding sustainability, >> perfection, >> > > > > > and the pursuit of enlightenment." >> > >> > > > > > "Bavwu is to be a collaborated collection of information >> presented is >> > > > > > such a way that anyone can benefit from it. Bavwu is a state of >> > > > > > totally stability and equalization between all components of the >> given >> > > > > > system. This is not your typical idea and it goes further then >> try and >> > > > > > be green. If we wish to transcend a system into a state of Bavwu >> we >> > > > > > must take every aspect of the system into consideration and do >> what is >> > > > > > best for the people's health, environment, and most of all the >> mental >> > > > > > effects it will have on the present and future generations. If >> > > > > > something is Bavwu it does not have negative effects and can >> continue >> > > > > > to supply a solution to the initial problem indefinitely." >> > >> > > > > > This thread is my first introduction to the word so I can't >> expound on >> > > > > > it. It would be nice to know more... >> > >> > > > > > On Sep 11, 10:07 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > sorry it still has no real meaning just one you attached to >> it, which is >> > > > > > no >> > > > > > > longer there unless you attach the meaning to it as you use >> it,, it is >> > > > > > not a >> > > > > > > simplification of the language of it. >> > >> > > > > > > the problem with creating words is it is only your >> definition and >> > > > > > people >> > > > > > > change the meaning to fit what they want ending up with >> muggled >> > > > > > conclusion. >> > > > > > > by the way muggle is a old slang term as in mugglehead a >> person who >> > > > > > > smoked to much pot or dope. the word at the time was used to >> indicate a >> > > > > > > fuzzy confused state of being. >> > >> > > > > > > Now the word is somewhere around a century old and there are >> only two >> > > > > > times >> > > > > > > I use the word 1: when I feel like explain it and its origin >> 2: when I >> > > > > > do >> > > > > > > not really want them to know what I said ( I have a whole >> series of >> > > > > > words >> > > > > > > for that (mainly for childish name calling)) and I never >> explain. The >> > > > > > third >> > > > > > > reason is to have people think I know and understand more than >> I really >> > > > > > do. >> > > > > > > Allan >> > > > > > > Besides it is also not really pronounceable >> > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Bavwu <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > Bavwu - The optimal action for highest quality and >> sustainable >> > > > > > > > results. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 1:54 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > I looked the word up and the truth is it has no meaning >> except that >> > > > > > which >> > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > person is trying to sell a bill of goods.. Trying >> > > > > > > > > to communicate is difficult enough adding words that >> really have no >> > > > > > > > meaning >> > > > > > > > > or value except to sell a bill of goods the person can not >> explain >> > > > > > > > normally >> > > > > > > > > so he creates a word to add confusion. >> > > > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM, archytas < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > I guess we barely understand language. Bavwu was never >> much use >> > > > > > when >> > > > > > > > > > under fire. The first move needed is to disarm the rich >> through >> > > > > > > > > > actual democracy, as they currently stop and meaningful >> decisions >> > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > > > might bavwu. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:59 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > I disagree because I know what you mean, Molly. Common >> language >> > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > result of agreed communication. Your pointless >> invitation proves >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > opposite. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Molly < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > common language is a good start >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 7:19 am, Lee Douglas < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I largely agree you last sentance >> highlights the >> > > > > > > > problem. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting humans to agree is an excersise in >> fultility, and >> > > > > > what I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'know' to be right may indeed differ from what >> others 'know' >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > right. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:19 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inevitable trend becoming more and >> more >> > > > > > apparent as >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > globalization and technology is connecting us >> all and we >> > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > booming >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the Information Age. Standard and >> quality of living >> > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > increasing and we are getting more advanced, but >> the higher >> > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > > > climb >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the more obvious it is that we did not start on >> the proper >> > > > > > > > > > foundation. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greed and self interest have molded our world so >> > > > > > dramatically >> > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of Bavwu seems far out. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living sustainable and advancing without side >> effect should >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > > > > all >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our minds, it should be the first thought when >> dealing with >> > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem we face. The bottom line needs to move >> away from >> > > > > > money >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > self profit and to global stability and equal >> rights. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sustainability shouldn't even be our main goal, >> > > > > > sustainability >> > > > > > > > > > should >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be our lifestyle, while living that life we >> then will >> > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > means to focus our brain power on more mental >> needs and >> > > > > > begin >> > > > > > > > > > forming >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a new reality based on intellect and >> collaboration. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology may be what we have been waiting for >> to make the >> > > > > > > > > > transcend >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into our new collective global society. I >> believe we have >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > technology to connect every person in the world, >> I also >> > > > > > feel we >> > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole, we have all, or could learn all the >> solutions the >> > > > > > people >> > > > > > > > of >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more ยป > > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > If your life is not going right, try making a left turn > > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan If your life is not going right, try making a left turn live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
