Orn I re read what I wrote and what you wrote. Allan, your attitude as presented here is against our standards for > > posting. > > Please read > >http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye/web/posting-guidelines > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > > OM > > Moderator What I wrote is a simple statement of fact.. wiki is not the ultimate source for anything ,,it is an interesting view that is it.. What you wrote and published my answer is a direct attack on me.. You need to examine your own motives and thoughts..
Thank you for your cooperation Allan Non Moderator On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > Vam, this reply has made my day, not only is Einstein one of my > biggest influences, but you have helped me understand better what I > was trying to put out, people should not dissing the idea because it > is not spelled out for them, I am promoting this idea not to see it > achieved but to see progress in hopes that one day it will be > achieved. As you pointed out we only see a tiny fraction of reality, > my goal is to use what we can understand to try and make a state of > Bavwu and as are intelligence improves so will the state we live in. > > On Sep 13, 1:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Finishing, Completion, Full Comprehension... all the components of the > > universe... > > > > Here's a quote : > > > > That is which is IMPENETRABLE to us really exists. Behind the SECRETS > > of nature remains something SUBTLE, INTANGIBLE and INEXPLICABLE. > > Veneration for that force beyond ANYTHING THAT WE CAN COMPREHEND is my > > religion. > > > > Guess what... it's Einstein speaking. That's a matter for our spirits > > however. In our pursuits, we necessarily have to deal with half > > revelations, incomplete views and only some components of the > > universe. For which, we need to identify the frontiers of those > > elements and forces that make the darkness, injustice, unfairness, > > poverty, waste, degradation, humiliation, indignity, corruption, fear, > > violence, terror, intolerance... flow into our lives. And, having > > identified one or few such frontier, we need to get right into the > > conflict to do everything to reverse the flow and believe with all our > > might that one day we'll succeed to banish them. > > > > On Sep 13, 6:46 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " "Perfectio(n)" thus literally means "a finishing" " > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection > > > > > "Enlightenment in a secular context often means the "full > > > comprehension of a situation",[1] but in spiritual terms the word > > > alludes to a spiritual revelation or deep insight into the meaning and > > > purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind > > > of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed > > > consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity." > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(spiritual)http://en.wikip...) > > > > > Total state of Bavwu - total comprehension of all systems that make up > > > our universe and knowing our purpose of existence and being content > > > with sustaining it. > > > > > Becoming bavwu - trying to comprehend all the components of the > > > universe, and trying to have the will to do what is in it's advantage. > > > > > There will not be one set definition for this idea, there is stages > > > and levels of it. > > > > > On Sep 12, 11:20 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Agree entirely with you, Allan ! > > > > > > Bavwu > > What is Perfection ? What is enlightenment ? And, then > back > > > > to, what is Bavwu ? > > > > > > This is the worst aspect of academics and romantics... let's have > > > > something totally new ! > > > > > > F23k, I do not want something entirely new at all. I want the ground > I > > > > stand on. The lips I can kiss. The people I love. The trees and the > > > > forests, flowers and animals. I definitely do not want something > > > > entirely new, shitheads. I want the same things better, better > > > > behaved, better valued. better harmonious. More happy, more regarded. > > > > > > Allan H wrote: > > > > > Jo the original concept and definition of perfection is simply put > > > > > 'Complete whole hearted and in balance' in other words You can > even have > > > > > something that appears to be malfunctioning but still doing the job > it was > > > > > designed to to.. you have a perfect tool. > > > > > > > When you create a word to explain something you do not understand > does not > > > > > make you enlightened. Words are easy to throw around,, then again > i > > > > > guess education is one form of enlightenment. In that realm there > are some > > > > > very enlightened people in this group. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jo <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Allen, I also searched the word Bavwu and this is what I found: > > > > > > > > "The collection of information regarding sustainability, > perfection, > > > > > > and the pursuit of enlightenment." > > > > > > > > "Bavwu is to be a collaborated collection of information > presented is > > > > > > such a way that anyone can benefit from it. Bavwu is a state of > > > > > > totally stability and equalization between all components of the > given > > > > > > system. This is not your typical idea and it goes further then > try and > > > > > > be green. If we wish to transcend a system into a state of Bavwu > we > > > > > > must take every aspect of the system into consideration and do > what is > > > > > > best for the people's health, environment, and most of all the > mental > > > > > > effects it will have on the present and future generations. If > > > > > > something is Bavwu it does not have negative effects and can > continue > > > > > > to supply a solution to the initial problem indefinitely." > > > > > > > > This thread is my first introduction to the word so I can't > expound on > > > > > > it. It would be nice to know more... > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 10:07 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > sorry it still has no real meaning just one you attached to > it, which is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > longer there unless you attach the meaning to it as you use > it,, it is > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > simplification of the language of it. > > > > > > > > > the problem with creating words is it is only your definition > and > > > > > > people > > > > > > > change the meaning to fit what they want ending up with muggled > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > by the way muggle is a old slang term as in mugglehead a > person who > > > > > > > smoked to much pot or dope. the word at the time was used to > indicate a > > > > > > > fuzzy confused state of being. > > > > > > > > > Now the word is somewhere around a century old and there are > only two > > > > > > times > > > > > > > I use the word 1: when I feel like explain it and its origin > 2: when I > > > > > > do > > > > > > > not really want them to know what I said ( I have a whole > series of > > > > > > words > > > > > > > for that (mainly for childish name calling)) and I never > explain. The > > > > > > third > > > > > > > reason is to have people think I know and understand more than > I really > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > Besides it is also not really pronounceable > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Bavwu <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bavwu - The optimal action for highest quality and > sustainable > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 1:54 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I looked the word up and the truth is it has no meaning > except that > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > person is trying to sell a bill of goods.. Trying > > > > > > > > > to communicate is difficult enough adding words that really > have no > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > or value except to sell a bill of goods the person can not > explain > > > > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > > so he creates a word to add confusion. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM, archytas < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I guess we barely understand language. Bavwu was never > much use > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > under fire. The first move needed is to disarm the rich > through > > > > > > > > > > actual democracy, as they currently stop and meaningful > decisions > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > might bavwu. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:59 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree because I know what you mean, Molly. Common > language > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > result of agreed communication. Your pointless > invitation proves > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > opposite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Molly < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > common language is a good start > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 7:19 am, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I largely agree you last sentance > highlights the > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting humans to agree is an excersise in > fultility, and > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'know' to be right may indeed differ from what > others 'know' > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:19 am, Bavwu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inevitable trend becoming more and > more > > > > > > apparent as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > globalization and technology is connecting us all > and we > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > booming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the Information Age. Standard and quality > of living > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increasing and we are getting more advanced, but > the higher > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > climb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the more obvious it is that we did not start on > the proper > > > > > > > > > > foundation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greed and self interest have molded our world so > > > > > > dramatically > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea of Bavwu seems far out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Living sustainable and advancing without side > effect should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our minds, it should be the first thought when > dealing with > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem we face. The bottom line needs to move > away from > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self profit and to global stability and equal > rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sustainability shouldn't even be our main goal, > > > > > > sustainability > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just be our lifestyle, while living that life we > then will > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means to focus our brain power on more mental > needs and > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > forming > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a new reality based on intellect and > collaboration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology may be what we have been waiting for > to make the > > > > > > > > > > transcend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into our new collective global society. I believe > we have > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technology to connect every person in the world, > I also > > > > > > feel we > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole, we have all, or could learn all the > solutions the > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > of > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) |_D Allan If your life is not going right, try making a left turn live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
