Hi all, Sorry for not jumping in more often. Too much going on. But I think the new discoveries I've made shed a lot of light on all of these points. So, I suggest taking a look at my website: http://a3society.org and follow up with the books if you read things you like.
In short, as Don says, western society has failed to face up to human nature. Try reading my discussion at http://www.a3society.org/7%20Deadly%20Sins And, please note, the term 7 deadly sins was NOT originally a religious phrase. It was an ancient observation about human nature. Second, the discussions under the Language tab describe how the human process of learning language explain the circus we see in political campaigns. The Democracy and Government tabs explain why governments are falling apart, and the pages on Plural Democracy and fixing democracy provide solutions. Unfortunately, the point Arcytas makes below about human not being able to solve problems is so true. And the main culprits are the Single Sentence Logic problem and the Multiple Religions Problem. Both are discussed on the Language tab. Be well, Nanook On Feb 10, 2012, at 10:10 PM, [email protected] wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/topics Science and the modern economic plight [7 Updates] Science and the modern economic plight Don Johnson <[email protected]> Feb 09 11:31PM -0600 Ah arch, you are wallowing in frustration yet again. Kick that black dog in the nads. The metaphorical one and not the happy, frolicking drooling one. That one you can scratch behind the ears. One day you must come to terms with the simple fact that human beings are irrational and selfish by nature. I hope I get a chance to read that article in the Economist but since I'm well aware of our Statist direction here in the USA it probably won't hold much news for me. (plus I'm lazy and probably inept as well) What makes the current situation easier for me to bear is I'm mostly concerned with only "local" issues. Very local most important and then branching out in importance so that my level of compassion for those in Darfur or Ethiopia and even Syria is near non-existant. I can't be bothered. I'm more worried about improving my lot and believe you me I'm getting a bit tired of hearing all about the troubles around the world on NPR with not NEAR enough attention being payed to our troubles at home. All that said I'm fully aware things are better here in America and even better here locally in the Houston area then they are most other places. Our poor are rich compared to other places. My knowledge of Britain is limited but I would assume it is much the same there. If you're poor and avoid the drugs you can live a pretty decent life and never have to work in our country. I don't see that as possible if we didn't grease the skids for the rich to make more money. The trick is too give the new kids a chance to become rich as well. As you have noted this is becoming less likely due to Statism. The super wealthy are bribing their way to permanent dominance. They do this by influencing regulation. Makes me crazy every time some new regulation that's suposed to "protect the consumer" does nothing of the sort. Lies and more lies. Still looking out for number One here. I do wish everyone else well however. Especially you and everyone else on this forum. Cheers all. dj -The idea of taking on the burdens of the whole world scare me. We do enough, too much really, already. I don't want a world government and listening to Obama and Mrs. Clinton and pickyourUNdelegate that's what they all want and actively pursue. Speaking of Hillary has anyone else noticed she's looking rather.....medicated lately? Sleeping with Prince Valium perhaps? Oxycotin maybe. Ah well, we all get older and I noticed I look pretty shitty myself lately and all I abuse is caffeine. Allan H <[email protected]> Feb 10 09:49AM +0100 Yes on you are right ,, the question is why are not these bribers being prosecuted. oh yes I for got almost all of congress is involved. including the present Republican Candidate. They have made him one of them and is solidly in their pocket.. Allan -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Allan H <[email protected]> Feb 10 09:53AM +0100 Neil I think it is important bring what the problems are in simple clear statements instead of long and non rememberable statements. What I do not understand in his statement is : Knowledge with out Concience. Allan -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. archytas <[email protected]> Feb 10 05:25AM -0800 The lesson from science is that bullshit can be deconstructed to find out what we might really base argument on. In economics this leaves us with more or less nothing to say and people can't see that as a benefit. Science is now showing that most people are so useless at problem solving they can't do stuff orang-outangs can. With this kind of 'ability' its perhaps not surprising we vote for GOP and the rest! rigsy03 <[email protected]> Feb 10 07:11AM -0800 It takes hard work to be/stay wealthy. Define pleasure- individual or cultural. Education builds character supposedly. Define business versus huckterism. Science is indifferent- can be good or evil. What religion? Politics has become a wasteful, dishonest game. Gandhi reintroduced home weaving, plus non-payment of taxes, general strikes, non-violent demonstrations (satyagraha) and there was some improvement- maybe strengthened by Indian participation in WWII for the Brits...but was killed by a Hindu so the nation was not unified- plus think of the slaughter in the partition- India and Pakistan- which still is a thorny problem. The entire Middle East and North Africa are a mess and very dangerous. The Green Zone may not last in Iraq, for instance. Really- very stupid American policy since the Gulf War or back to the 1840's for the Brits in Afghanistan (a total wasteland). Good reads are The Blue Nile and The White Nile by Alan Moorehead- or Something of Value by Robert Ruark (?). Anyway, I don think the internet is going to solve humanity's problems- there is too much smoldering resentment. What's our contribution? Weapon systems or idiotic merchandise? Plus the displaced will flee to Europe and cause more economic pressure, etc. I wonder if our goal is to destabilize Russia and China? I am cooking Greek today- moussaka. A humble tribute. archytas <[email protected]> Feb 10 10:32AM -0800 Britain actually bombed Kabul as late as 1921 and prevented a secular king who wanted to use the Turkish model to stabilise and modernise in 1930. Science would seek to stabilise the population and provide a war free environment for all. But most people won't make the effort to understand. Gandhi ended up in some weird rationalisations of sleeping with children to save the world through denial. Allan H <[email protected]> Feb 10 07:53PM +0100 Don't go blaming the borders of Pakistan and India on Gandhi. that honor belongs solely on the shoulders of a Brit,, I see nothing wrong with home weaving It helps the poor earn a living.. I have lost a lot of money mainly to import problems.. so I could not receive my merchandise.. these items I ordered were hand made in homes.. which people made about $1 US a day making,, filling my orders,, yes I paid in advance so I was able to make sure they could feed their families.. because the product could not make it through customs. I am foolish I ate the financial loss. better me than the poor. indecently on simple interest of which is offered today.. I would be making some where between four and five times that I receive in retirement.. would you care to show where your money came from?? and how you worked hard to make it??? and how you have to work hard to retain it? Yes a large contribution of the western and eastern countries to the world is weapons so they can make even more money from them and increase poverty,, a great statement for advanced society isn't it.. Allan -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group minds-eye. You can post via email. To unsubscribe from this group, send an empty message. For more options, visit this group. Nanook [email protected] http://bit.ly/WordClay-nappi http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/Nappi http://A3society.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/brucenappi
