The emotional loss of a wanted child due to religious bigots. If her gentics is jewish then child also has to be jewish. That saddens me. Allan On Sep 20, 2012 9:05 PM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh, no, not my friend! She happened to have been born of a Jewish > mother. No need to feel sad for her. > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Gabby,, Ii have epilepsy and am on some pretty strong > medication > > and for me to have a seizure even though it was mild it has taken me > close > > to three days to recover from it.. the biggest problem is focusing my > what > > already is a feeble mind.. oh well that is past.. > > > > I am thoroughly convinced there really are no new idea.. if you find a > > totally new idea it is a true rarity.. Most of the time a person is > trying > > to express an old idea in a manner to clarify its understanding, that is > the > > best a person can hope for. > > as for your friend,, I feel sad for her as that is the effect of very > narrow > > minded people. worse yet very narrow minded religious what evers . > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sorry to hear that you were feeling unwell. I hope you are feeling > better > >> now. > >> > >> I do not see the new idea in what you are propagating as a new idea. > >> The perspective of a speaker saying "...people are comfortable > >> with..." is very common amongst people like Vam and Francis, but also > >> Neil. I find this behavioral attitude easier excusable in Neil, for I > >> see it as a side effect of professional deformation in his case. I > >> find this behavior personally problematic with hobby world explainers. > >> > >> As for being okayed for one's belief, my Jewish friend told me about a > >> convert apprentice in their Jewish community who became pregnant > >> before she was an official member of the community and had the child > >> aborted for it would not have been born Jewish. She became Jewish but > >> never again pregnant. I refrain from moralizing on the moral in this > >> context here. > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > sorry for the extreme delay Gabby my head was s a fuzzy cloud may best > >> > describe it.. A lot of what I am saying has evolved right here in > ME.. > >> > so > >> > I hope you have read it before.. I tend to think while am in a > >> > discussion.. > >> > ideas evolve.. starting with one idea in the beginning I hope they are > >> > flexible enough to grow and expand.. > >> > Yes the distinction is there for the concept of an Entirety and people > >> > are > >> > comfortable with a separate god simply because that is the way we are > >> > taught. These ideas are for examination along with consideration. I do > >> > not > >> > blame people for finding new ideas unacceptable.. Navajos may convert > >> > to > >> > christianity but to them their people still came out of the earth.. > >> > Believe > >> > me you will not change those beliefs. > >> > It is okay to believe as you believe I am not trying to convent you > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Allan, I've noticed you making that distinction in your > terminology > >> >> before. I am more with Pat on not wanting to put God onto an extra > >> >> cloud but to view the God phenomenon as the/an entirety. Which is why > >> >> I would be allowed to parallel the "Who and where is God?" question > >> >> with the "Who am I and where is the I located?" question. The > emphasis > >> >> on God being totally separated from the universe he created I read as > >> >> an emancipated reaction to the maternal physical belonging. An > >> >> over-reaction though. > >> >> As for Master Jesus, he is God's son. Good. > >> >> The soul's bondage relation to the great mandala is indeed worrisome. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > This probably will make little or no sense, but here goes anyway... > >> >> > > >> >> > The Entirety created the universe as we know it. Some people say > >> >> > there > >> >> > are > >> >> > different strings or many universes each with its own God .. I > >> >> > really > >> >> > don't > >> >> > care if it is true or not because anything is possible within the > >> >> > entirety, > >> >> > in reality the Entirety is beyond my mind to comprehend. Yet there > >> >> > are > >> >> > fragments of my beliefs that can be examined. > >> >> > > >> >> > The idea of the Entirely is to escape from the common concept that > >> >> > God > >> >> > and > >> >> > the human population are totally separate, the idea of a God that > is > >> >> > totally > >> >> > separated from the universe that he created. I have yet to find a > >> >> > satisfactory answer to "Who and where is God?" The answers I do > get > >> >> > seem to > >> >> > be just so much babble that is designed to add confusion to the > >> >> > question > >> >> > with out really answering it. There have been other muggled answers > >> >> > but > >> >> > it > >> >> > seems that no one within the religious communities want to give the > >> >> > answer > >> >> > "I really don't know." To them apparently the answer of "It is a > >> >> > divine > >> >> > mystery is a better answer." is far better. You hear a lot of the > >> >> > "divine > >> >> > mystery" within the Roman Catholic church in which I was raised. > >> >> > > >> >> > What I have found out is either beliefs are growing and expanding > or > >> >> > they > >> >> > are dying. I personally want a faith that grows and has the ability > >> >> > to > >> >> > expand, not one that is rigid and not yielding. > >> >> > > >> >> > As for divine mysteries the question always pops up n my mind "What > >> >> > does > >> >> > God > >> >> > have to hide?" Mysteries are to be explored and solved. > >> >> > Spirituality > >> >> > is > >> >> > an experience to be lived. The variety can be infinite in nature. I > >> >> > have > >> >> > met > >> >> > several people with experiences similar to mine, they are each > unique > >> >> > and > >> >> > special. You can stop after any one of those experiences and have > an > >> >> > extremely rich spiritual life. Most people do just that, others > after > >> >> > one > >> >> > experience run off preaching hell fire and brimstone, leaving me > >> >> > wondering > >> >> > just what their experience was, or those that run off wanting to > heal > >> >> > everyone. Don't get me wrong healing can be very very real and that > >> >> > type > >> >> > of > >> >> > energy is there, but what is presented reminds me of a song verse > 'Oh > >> >> > Lord > >> >> > won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz , my friends all have Porches and > I > >> >> > must > >> >> > make amends!'. Then again we live in a very gimme world so what > can I > >> >> > expect. > >> >> > > >> >> > The name 'Entirety' comes from trying to find an existing word that > >> >> > best > >> >> > defines my vision of what I conceive God to be and not have it > >> >> > tainted > >> >> > by > >> >> > other predefined definitions. The only word at this point I have > >> >> > found > >> >> > is > >> >> > 'the Entirety'. A simple word that encompasses everything, whether > I > >> >> > understand it or not. So the word Entirety encompasses all that > said > >> >> > to > >> >> > be > >> >> > God and then beyond. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now the Entirety is everything that is physical spiritual and > beyond, > >> >> > leaving nothing out. Now our soul and bodies are just simply part > of > >> >> > the > >> >> > entirety. As for trying to explain the concept it is beyond me. > There > >> >> > are a > >> >> > whole lot of questions in this realm to which the only answer I > know > >> >> > is > >> >> > I > >> >> > don't know. So you are running up against the I don't know.. maybe > >> >> > someday > >> >> > someone will be able to answer those questions,, They are a one > step > >> >> > at > >> >> > a > >> >> > time thing. That has been my personal experience with spirituality > is > >> >> > a > >> >> > step > >> >> > at a time as I would not be able to handle it all at once. > >> >> > Spirituality > >> >> > has > >> >> > to be able to grow and expand. > >> >> > > >> >> > Please realize I am though a follower of Jesus first of many > >> >> > brothers. > >> >> > In > >> >> > saying that I am not a paulist because he dogma and doctrine wrong, > >> >> > they > >> >> > destroy the teachings and spirituality of Master Jesus. > >> >> > > >> >> > The Entirety concept frees everything from dogma and doctrine of > >> >> > churches. > >> >> > The idea is to understand the relationship between myself and the > >> >> > Entirety. > >> >> > It seems churches do everything they can do to prevent that > >> >> > relationship. > >> >> > > >> >> > Looking at the Entirety from the stand point of the mandala or > wheel > >> >> > of > >> >> > life. Each soul is looking for its location within that Mandala. It > >> >> > is > >> >> > only > >> >> > recently that the soul has been making sense or at least starting > to. > >> >> > > >> >> > I have several stories similar in nature to my own but they make > >> >> > little > >> >> > difference as the point is only that often times I see things from > a > >> >> > different view point hopefully giving an insight as to why. My > world > >> >> > has > >> >> > transformed to a world where the Entirety has become the center of > my > >> >> > universe. The truth is I don't want the Entirety any place else the > >> >> > center > >> >> > of my universe. Funny he truly is the center of the universe and so > >> >> > much > >> >> > more. > >> >> > > >> >> > The dual nature of man is very interesting. Oddly most churches > >> >> > believe > >> >> > in > >> >> > the spirit side and say there is the soul. From there they talk > about > >> >> > heaven > >> >> > and hell with a whole lot of condemnation and fear used to control > >> >> > the > >> >> > human > >> >> > side. Giving all importance to the physical side, ignoring the > >> >> > spiritual > >> >> > side. You see the ignoring of the spiritual side in the form of > >> >> > greed.. > >> >> > murder especially with out conscious thought or care.. everyone is > >> >> > responsible for their actions and failure to act. The Teachings of > >> >> > the > >> >> > different religions are really creating a dangerous world for the > >> >> > existence > >> >> > of the soul. > >> >> > > >> >> > Joking around in a discussion I made a comment that maybe we are > >> >> > spiritual > >> >> > Zombies, only to find out later that there is an islamic group that > >> >> > has > >> >> > a > >> >> > very idea as I was looking at the idea, we have often discussed > the > >> >> > duality > >> >> > of man being both soul and spirit. Now if a person starts looking > at > >> >> > the > >> >> > soul and its preexistence before being born. Then that in reality > >> >> > makes > >> >> > the > >> >> > body a vehicle for the soul. That raises the question what is it a > >> >> > vehicle > >> >> > for or just what is its purpose. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now in reality we are spiritual beings, just like what the > christian > >> >> > world > >> >> > refers to as angels. Becoming human is a choice. The Entirety give > us > >> >> > the > >> >> > ability to chose and improve our status on the great mandala or as > it > >> >> > is > >> >> > known in christianity as heaven and earth. Every soul knows what is > >> >> > required > >> >> > of it to improve its status in the spiritual realm and upon > entering > >> >> > the > >> >> > human vehicle it essentially loses its memory of the realm from > >> >> > which > >> >> > it > >> >> > originated. In the human vehicle it needs to learn that it is a > >> >> > spiritual > >> >> > being and how it responds determines the status, Oddly there is an > >> >> > ancient > >> >> > law that simply states 'above all do no harm' and there are many > >> >> > ways > >> >> > of > >> >> > doing harm, in today's world there are many ways that no one even > >> >> > blinks > >> >> > at > >> >> > any more. People have become blind to the rest of the world and > what > >> >> > effects > >> >> > their actions have on the rest of the population. > >> >> > > >> >> > In the roman rite of christianity there is prayer when you are > asking > >> >> > forgiveness that goes "in what I have done and what I have failed > to > >> >> > do." > >> >> > and the failed to do in this world is a spiritual killer. The > excuse > >> >> > there > >> >> > is nothing I can do never really holds true. Politicians that are > >> >> > raping > >> >> > the > >> >> > the country for personal gain and that of their buddies. If you are > >> >> > voting > >> >> > for them you are saying that okay I approve of your actions keep up > >> >> > the > >> >> > good > >> >> > work. When they remove support for the elderly and poor in favor of > >> >> > their > >> >> > war machine and killing. When you buy stock in companies that are > >> >> > raping > >> >> > the > >> >> > earths minerals and resources. or industries that are robbing > people > >> >> > to > >> >> > put > >> >> > better their financial interest.. sometimes in activity or not > doing > >> >> > or > >> >> > saying something is just as damaging to the soul. A person can go > on > >> >> > for > >> >> > volumes and that is what the churches have done - obey the volumes > >> >> > of > >> >> > laws > >> >> > and rules. > >> >> > > >> >> > Personally I think that if people realized the effect that their > >> >> > actions > >> >> > have on their soul the world would change.. like a lot of things > it > >> >> > seems > >> >> > that everything is backward,, the importance is stressed on the > >> >> > human > >> >> > vehicle rather that the soul that it contains. This makes no sense > as > >> >> > the > >> >> > human form last less than 125 years in the greatest majority of > >> >> > cases, > >> >> > then > >> >> > it returns to dust and the soul is resurrected back into the > >> >> > spiritual > >> >> > realm to find out if it improved its status in the great mandala. > >> >> > > >> >> > Which is more important. > >> >> > Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ( > >> > ) > >> > |_D Allan > >> > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > >> > > >> > > >> > I am a Natural Airgunner - > >> > > >> > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --
