Sorry to hear that you were feeling unwell. I hope you are feeling better now.
I do not see the new idea in what you are propagating as a new idea. The perspective of a speaker saying "...people are comfortable with..." is very common amongst people like Vam and Francis, but also Neil. I find this behavioral attitude easier excusable in Neil, for I see it as a side effect of professional deformation in his case. I find this behavior personally problematic with hobby world explainers. As for being okayed for one's belief, my Jewish friend told me about a convert apprentice in their Jewish community who became pregnant before she was an official member of the community and had the child aborted for it would not have been born Jewish. She became Jewish but never again pregnant. I refrain from moralizing on the moral in this context here. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry for the extreme delay Gabby my head was s a fuzzy cloud may best > describe it.. A lot of what I am saying has evolved right here in ME.. so > I hope you have read it before.. I tend to think while am in a discussion.. > ideas evolve.. starting with one idea in the beginning I hope they are > flexible enough to grow and expand.. > Yes the distinction is there for the concept of an Entirety and people are > comfortable with a separate god simply because that is the way we are > taught. These ideas are for examination along with consideration. I do not > blame people for finding new ideas unacceptable.. Navajos may convert to > christianity but to them their people still came out of the earth.. Believe > me you will not change those beliefs. > It is okay to believe as you believe I am not trying to convent you > Allan > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Allan, I've noticed you making that distinction in your terminology >> before. I am more with Pat on not wanting to put God onto an extra >> cloud but to view the God phenomenon as the/an entirety. Which is why >> I would be allowed to parallel the "Who and where is God?" question >> with the "Who am I and where is the I located?" question. The emphasis >> on God being totally separated from the universe he created I read as >> an emancipated reaction to the maternal physical belonging. An >> over-reaction though. >> As for Master Jesus, he is God's son. Good. >> The soul's bondage relation to the great mandala is indeed worrisome. >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > This probably will make little or no sense, but here goes anyway... >> > >> > The Entirety created the universe as we know it. Some people say there >> > are >> > different strings or many universes each with its own God .. I really >> > don't >> > care if it is true or not because anything is possible within the >> > entirety, >> > in reality the Entirety is beyond my mind to comprehend. Yet there are >> > fragments of my beliefs that can be examined. >> > >> > The idea of the Entirely is to escape from the common concept that God >> > and >> > the human population are totally separate, the idea of a God that is >> > totally >> > separated from the universe that he created. I have yet to find a >> > satisfactory answer to "Who and where is God?" The answers I do get >> > seem to >> > be just so much babble that is designed to add confusion to the >> > question >> > with out really answering it. There have been other muggled answers but >> > it >> > seems that no one within the religious communities want to give the >> > answer >> > "I really don't know." To them apparently the answer of "It is a divine >> > mystery is a better answer." is far better. You hear a lot of the >> > "divine >> > mystery" within the Roman Catholic church in which I was raised. >> > >> > What I have found out is either beliefs are growing and expanding or >> > they >> > are dying. I personally want a faith that grows and has the ability to >> > expand, not one that is rigid and not yielding. >> > >> > As for divine mysteries the question always pops up n my mind "What does >> > God >> > have to hide?" Mysteries are to be explored and solved. Spirituality >> > is >> > an experience to be lived. The variety can be infinite in nature. I have >> > met >> > several people with experiences similar to mine, they are each unique >> > and >> > special. You can stop after any one of those experiences and have an >> > extremely rich spiritual life. Most people do just that, others after >> > one >> > experience run off preaching hell fire and brimstone, leaving me >> > wondering >> > just what their experience was, or those that run off wanting to heal >> > everyone. Don't get me wrong healing can be very very real and that type >> > of >> > energy is there, but what is presented reminds me of a song verse 'Oh >> > Lord >> > won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz , my friends all have Porches and I >> > must >> > make amends!'. Then again we live in a very gimme world so what can I >> > expect. >> > >> > The name 'Entirety' comes from trying to find an existing word that best >> > defines my vision of what I conceive God to be and not have it tainted >> > by >> > other predefined definitions. The only word at this point I have found >> > is >> > 'the Entirety'. A simple word that encompasses everything, whether I >> > understand it or not. So the word Entirety encompasses all that said to >> > be >> > God and then beyond. >> > >> > Now the Entirety is everything that is physical spiritual and beyond, >> > leaving nothing out. Now our soul and bodies are just simply part of the >> > entirety. As for trying to explain the concept it is beyond me. There >> > are a >> > whole lot of questions in this realm to which the only answer I know is >> > I >> > don't know. So you are running up against the I don't know.. maybe >> > someday >> > someone will be able to answer those questions,, They are a one step at >> > a >> > time thing. That has been my personal experience with spirituality is a >> > step >> > at a time as I would not be able to handle it all at once. Spirituality >> > has >> > to be able to grow and expand. >> > >> > Please realize I am though a follower of Jesus first of many brothers. >> > In >> > saying that I am not a paulist because he dogma and doctrine wrong, they >> > destroy the teachings and spirituality of Master Jesus. >> > >> > The Entirety concept frees everything from dogma and doctrine of >> > churches. >> > The idea is to understand the relationship between myself and the >> > Entirety. >> > It seems churches do everything they can do to prevent that >> > relationship. >> > >> > Looking at the Entirety from the stand point of the mandala or wheel of >> > life. Each soul is looking for its location within that Mandala. It is >> > only >> > recently that the soul has been making sense or at least starting to. >> > >> > I have several stories similar in nature to my own but they make little >> > difference as the point is only that often times I see things from a >> > different view point hopefully giving an insight as to why. My world has >> > transformed to a world where the Entirety has become the center of my >> > universe. The truth is I don't want the Entirety any place else the >> > center >> > of my universe. Funny he truly is the center of the universe and so much >> > more. >> > >> > The dual nature of man is very interesting. Oddly most churches believe >> > in >> > the spirit side and say there is the soul. From there they talk about >> > heaven >> > and hell with a whole lot of condemnation and fear used to control the >> > human >> > side. Giving all importance to the physical side, ignoring the spiritual >> > side. You see the ignoring of the spiritual side in the form of greed.. >> > murder especially with out conscious thought or care.. everyone is >> > responsible for their actions and failure to act. The Teachings of the >> > different religions are really creating a dangerous world for the >> > existence >> > of the soul. >> > >> > Joking around in a discussion I made a comment that maybe we are >> > spiritual >> > Zombies, only to find out later that there is an islamic group that has >> > a >> > very idea as I was looking at the idea, we have often discussed the >> > duality >> > of man being both soul and spirit. Now if a person starts looking at the >> > soul and its preexistence before being born. Then that in reality makes >> > the >> > body a vehicle for the soul. That raises the question what is it a >> > vehicle >> > for or just what is its purpose. >> > >> > Now in reality we are spiritual beings, just like what the christian >> > world >> > refers to as angels. Becoming human is a choice. The Entirety give us >> > the >> > ability to chose and improve our status on the great mandala or as it is >> > known in christianity as heaven and earth. Every soul knows what is >> > required >> > of it to improve its status in the spiritual realm and upon entering the >> > human vehicle it essentially loses its memory of the realm from which >> > it >> > originated. In the human vehicle it needs to learn that it is a >> > spiritual >> > being and how it responds determines the status, Oddly there is an >> > ancient >> > law that simply states 'above all do no harm' and there are many ways >> > of >> > doing harm, in today's world there are many ways that no one even blinks >> > at >> > any more. People have become blind to the rest of the world and what >> > effects >> > their actions have on the rest of the population. >> > >> > In the roman rite of christianity there is prayer when you are asking >> > forgiveness that goes "in what I have done and what I have failed to >> > do." >> > and the failed to do in this world is a spiritual killer. The excuse >> > there >> > is nothing I can do never really holds true. Politicians that are raping >> > the >> > the country for personal gain and that of their buddies. If you are >> > voting >> > for them you are saying that okay I approve of your actions keep up the >> > good >> > work. When they remove support for the elderly and poor in favor of >> > their >> > war machine and killing. When you buy stock in companies that are raping >> > the >> > earths minerals and resources. or industries that are robbing people to >> > put >> > better their financial interest.. sometimes in activity or not doing or >> > saying something is just as damaging to the soul. A person can go on for >> > volumes and that is what the churches have done - obey the volumes of >> > laws >> > and rules. >> > >> > Personally I think that if people realized the effect that their >> > actions >> > have on their soul the world would change.. like a lot of things it >> > seems >> > that everything is backward,, the importance is stressed on the human >> > vehicle rather that the soul that it contains. This makes no sense as >> > the >> > human form last less than 125 years in the greatest majority of cases, >> > then >> > it returns to dust and the soul is resurrected back into the spiritual >> > realm to find out if it improved its status in the great mandala. >> > >> > Which is more important. >> > Allan >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > > > -- > > > --
