Thank you Gabby,, Ii have epilepsy and am on some pretty strong medication and for me to have a seizure even though it was mild it has taken me close to three days to recover from it.. the biggest problem is focusing my what already is a feeble mind.. oh well that is past..
I am thoroughly convinced there really are no new idea.. if you find a totally new idea it is a true rarity.. Most of the time a person is trying to express an old idea in a manner to clarify its understanding, that is the best a person can hope for. as for your friend,, I feel sad for her as that is the effect of very narrow minded people. worse yet very narrow minded religious what evers . Allan On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry to hear that you were feeling unwell. I hope you are feeling better > now. > > I do not see the new idea in what you are propagating as a new idea. > The perspective of a speaker saying "...people are comfortable > with..." is very common amongst people like Vam and Francis, but also > Neil. I find this behavioral attitude easier excusable in Neil, for I > see it as a side effect of professional deformation in his case. I > find this behavior personally problematic with hobby world explainers. > > As for being okayed for one's belief, my Jewish friend told me about a > convert apprentice in their Jewish community who became pregnant > before she was an official member of the community and had the child > aborted for it would not have been born Jewish. She became Jewish but > never again pregnant. I refrain from moralizing on the moral in this > context here. > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > sorry for the extreme delay Gabby my head was s a fuzzy cloud may best > > describe it.. A lot of what I am saying has evolved right here in ME.. > so > > I hope you have read it before.. I tend to think while am in a > discussion.. > > ideas evolve.. starting with one idea in the beginning I hope they are > > flexible enough to grow and expand.. > > Yes the distinction is there for the concept of an Entirety and people > are > > comfortable with a separate god simply because that is the way we are > > taught. These ideas are for examination along with consideration. I do > not > > blame people for finding new ideas unacceptable.. Navajos may convert to > > christianity but to them their people still came out of the earth.. > Believe > > me you will not change those beliefs. > > It is okay to believe as you believe I am not trying to convent you > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Allan, I've noticed you making that distinction in your terminology > >> before. I am more with Pat on not wanting to put God onto an extra > >> cloud but to view the God phenomenon as the/an entirety. Which is why > >> I would be allowed to parallel the "Who and where is God?" question > >> with the "Who am I and where is the I located?" question. The emphasis > >> on God being totally separated from the universe he created I read as > >> an emancipated reaction to the maternal physical belonging. An > >> over-reaction though. > >> As for Master Jesus, he is God's son. Good. > >> The soul's bondage relation to the great mandala is indeed worrisome. > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > This probably will make little or no sense, but here goes anyway... > >> > > >> > The Entirety created the universe as we know it. Some people say there > >> > are > >> > different strings or many universes each with its own God .. I really > >> > don't > >> > care if it is true or not because anything is possible within the > >> > entirety, > >> > in reality the Entirety is beyond my mind to comprehend. Yet there are > >> > fragments of my beliefs that can be examined. > >> > > >> > The idea of the Entirely is to escape from the common concept that God > >> > and > >> > the human population are totally separate, the idea of a God that is > >> > totally > >> > separated from the universe that he created. I have yet to find a > >> > satisfactory answer to "Who and where is God?" The answers I do get > >> > seem to > >> > be just so much babble that is designed to add confusion to the > >> > question > >> > with out really answering it. There have been other muggled answers > but > >> > it > >> > seems that no one within the religious communities want to give the > >> > answer > >> > "I really don't know." To them apparently the answer of "It is a > divine > >> > mystery is a better answer." is far better. You hear a lot of the > >> > "divine > >> > mystery" within the Roman Catholic church in which I was raised. > >> > > >> > What I have found out is either beliefs are growing and expanding or > >> > they > >> > are dying. I personally want a faith that grows and has the ability to > >> > expand, not one that is rigid and not yielding. > >> > > >> > As for divine mysteries the question always pops up n my mind "What > does > >> > God > >> > have to hide?" Mysteries are to be explored and solved. > Spirituality > >> > is > >> > an experience to be lived. The variety can be infinite in nature. I > have > >> > met > >> > several people with experiences similar to mine, they are each unique > >> > and > >> > special. You can stop after any one of those experiences and have an > >> > extremely rich spiritual life. Most people do just that, others after > >> > one > >> > experience run off preaching hell fire and brimstone, leaving me > >> > wondering > >> > just what their experience was, or those that run off wanting to heal > >> > everyone. Don't get me wrong healing can be very very real and that > type > >> > of > >> > energy is there, but what is presented reminds me of a song verse 'Oh > >> > Lord > >> > won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz , my friends all have Porches and I > >> > must > >> > make amends!'. Then again we live in a very gimme world so what can I > >> > expect. > >> > > >> > The name 'Entirety' comes from trying to find an existing word that > best > >> > defines my vision of what I conceive God to be and not have it tainted > >> > by > >> > other predefined definitions. The only word at this point I have found > >> > is > >> > 'the Entirety'. A simple word that encompasses everything, whether I > >> > understand it or not. So the word Entirety encompasses all that said > to > >> > be > >> > God and then beyond. > >> > > >> > Now the Entirety is everything that is physical spiritual and beyond, > >> > leaving nothing out. Now our soul and bodies are just simply part of > the > >> > entirety. As for trying to explain the concept it is beyond me. There > >> > are a > >> > whole lot of questions in this realm to which the only answer I know > is > >> > I > >> > don't know. So you are running up against the I don't know.. maybe > >> > someday > >> > someone will be able to answer those questions,, They are a one step > at > >> > a > >> > time thing. That has been my personal experience with spirituality is > a > >> > step > >> > at a time as I would not be able to handle it all at once. > Spirituality > >> > has > >> > to be able to grow and expand. > >> > > >> > Please realize I am though a follower of Jesus first of many brothers. > >> > In > >> > saying that I am not a paulist because he dogma and doctrine wrong, > they > >> > destroy the teachings and spirituality of Master Jesus. > >> > > >> > The Entirety concept frees everything from dogma and doctrine of > >> > churches. > >> > The idea is to understand the relationship between myself and the > >> > Entirety. > >> > It seems churches do everything they can do to prevent that > >> > relationship. > >> > > >> > Looking at the Entirety from the stand point of the mandala or wheel > of > >> > life. Each soul is looking for its location within that Mandala. It is > >> > only > >> > recently that the soul has been making sense or at least starting to. > >> > > >> > I have several stories similar in nature to my own but they make > little > >> > difference as the point is only that often times I see things from a > >> > different view point hopefully giving an insight as to why. My world > has > >> > transformed to a world where the Entirety has become the center of my > >> > universe. The truth is I don't want the Entirety any place else the > >> > center > >> > of my universe. Funny he truly is the center of the universe and so > much > >> > more. > >> > > >> > The dual nature of man is very interesting. Oddly most churches > believe > >> > in > >> > the spirit side and say there is the soul. From there they talk about > >> > heaven > >> > and hell with a whole lot of condemnation and fear used to control the > >> > human > >> > side. Giving all importance to the physical side, ignoring the > spiritual > >> > side. You see the ignoring of the spiritual side in the form of > greed.. > >> > murder especially with out conscious thought or care.. everyone is > >> > responsible for their actions and failure to act. The Teachings of > the > >> > different religions are really creating a dangerous world for the > >> > existence > >> > of the soul. > >> > > >> > Joking around in a discussion I made a comment that maybe we are > >> > spiritual > >> > Zombies, only to find out later that there is an islamic group that > has > >> > a > >> > very idea as I was looking at the idea, we have often discussed the > >> > duality > >> > of man being both soul and spirit. Now if a person starts looking at > the > >> > soul and its preexistence before being born. Then that in reality > makes > >> > the > >> > body a vehicle for the soul. That raises the question what is it a > >> > vehicle > >> > for or just what is its purpose. > >> > > >> > Now in reality we are spiritual beings, just like what the christian > >> > world > >> > refers to as angels. Becoming human is a choice. The Entirety give us > >> > the > >> > ability to chose and improve our status on the great mandala or as it > is > >> > known in christianity as heaven and earth. Every soul knows what is > >> > required > >> > of it to improve its status in the spiritual realm and upon entering > the > >> > human vehicle it essentially loses its memory of the realm from which > >> > it > >> > originated. In the human vehicle it needs to learn that it is a > >> > spiritual > >> > being and how it responds determines the status, Oddly there is an > >> > ancient > >> > law that simply states 'above all do no harm' and there are many ways > >> > of > >> > doing harm, in today's world there are many ways that no one even > blinks > >> > at > >> > any more. People have become blind to the rest of the world and what > >> > effects > >> > their actions have on the rest of the population. > >> > > >> > In the roman rite of christianity there is prayer when you are asking > >> > forgiveness that goes "in what I have done and what I have failed to > >> > do." > >> > and the failed to do in this world is a spiritual killer. The excuse > >> > there > >> > is nothing I can do never really holds true. Politicians that are > raping > >> > the > >> > the country for personal gain and that of their buddies. If you are > >> > voting > >> > for them you are saying that okay I approve of your actions keep up > the > >> > good > >> > work. When they remove support for the elderly and poor in favor of > >> > their > >> > war machine and killing. When you buy stock in companies that are > raping > >> > the > >> > earths minerals and resources. or industries that are robbing people > to > >> > put > >> > better their financial interest.. sometimes in activity or not doing > or > >> > saying something is just as damaging to the soul. A person can go on > for > >> > volumes and that is what the churches have done - obey the volumes of > >> > laws > >> > and rules. > >> > > >> > Personally I think that if people realized the effect that their > >> > actions > >> > have on their soul the world would change.. like a lot of things it > >> > seems > >> > that everything is backward,, the importance is stressed on the human > >> > vehicle rather that the soul that it contains. This makes no sense as > >> > the > >> > human form last less than 125 years in the greatest majority of cases, > >> > then > >> > it returns to dust and the soul is resurrected back into the > spiritual > >> > realm to find out if it improved its status in the great mandala. > >> > > >> > Which is more important. > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
