Oh, no, not my friend! She happened to have been born of a Jewish mother. No need to feel sad for her.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Gabby,, Ii have epilepsy and am on some pretty strong medication > and for me to have a seizure even though it was mild it has taken me close > to three days to recover from it.. the biggest problem is focusing my what > already is a feeble mind.. oh well that is past.. > > I am thoroughly convinced there really are no new idea.. if you find a > totally new idea it is a true rarity.. Most of the time a person is trying > to express an old idea in a manner to clarify its understanding, that is the > best a person can hope for. > as for your friend,, I feel sad for her as that is the effect of very narrow > minded people. worse yet very narrow minded religious what evers . > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Sorry to hear that you were feeling unwell. I hope you are feeling better >> now. >> >> I do not see the new idea in what you are propagating as a new idea. >> The perspective of a speaker saying "...people are comfortable >> with..." is very common amongst people like Vam and Francis, but also >> Neil. I find this behavioral attitude easier excusable in Neil, for I >> see it as a side effect of professional deformation in his case. I >> find this behavior personally problematic with hobby world explainers. >> >> As for being okayed for one's belief, my Jewish friend told me about a >> convert apprentice in their Jewish community who became pregnant >> before she was an official member of the community and had the child >> aborted for it would not have been born Jewish. She became Jewish but >> never again pregnant. I refrain from moralizing on the moral in this >> context here. >> >> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > sorry for the extreme delay Gabby my head was s a fuzzy cloud may best >> > describe it.. A lot of what I am saying has evolved right here in ME.. >> > so >> > I hope you have read it before.. I tend to think while am in a >> > discussion.. >> > ideas evolve.. starting with one idea in the beginning I hope they are >> > flexible enough to grow and expand.. >> > Yes the distinction is there for the concept of an Entirety and people >> > are >> > comfortable with a separate god simply because that is the way we are >> > taught. These ideas are for examination along with consideration. I do >> > not >> > blame people for finding new ideas unacceptable.. Navajos may convert >> > to >> > christianity but to them their people still came out of the earth.. >> > Believe >> > me you will not change those beliefs. >> > It is okay to believe as you believe I am not trying to convent you >> > Allan >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Allan, I've noticed you making that distinction in your terminology >> >> before. I am more with Pat on not wanting to put God onto an extra >> >> cloud but to view the God phenomenon as the/an entirety. Which is why >> >> I would be allowed to parallel the "Who and where is God?" question >> >> with the "Who am I and where is the I located?" question. The emphasis >> >> on God being totally separated from the universe he created I read as >> >> an emancipated reaction to the maternal physical belonging. An >> >> over-reaction though. >> >> As for Master Jesus, he is God's son. Good. >> >> The soul's bondage relation to the great mandala is indeed worrisome. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > This probably will make little or no sense, but here goes anyway... >> >> > >> >> > The Entirety created the universe as we know it. Some people say >> >> > there >> >> > are >> >> > different strings or many universes each with its own God .. I >> >> > really >> >> > don't >> >> > care if it is true or not because anything is possible within the >> >> > entirety, >> >> > in reality the Entirety is beyond my mind to comprehend. Yet there >> >> > are >> >> > fragments of my beliefs that can be examined. >> >> > >> >> > The idea of the Entirely is to escape from the common concept that >> >> > God >> >> > and >> >> > the human population are totally separate, the idea of a God that is >> >> > totally >> >> > separated from the universe that he created. I have yet to find a >> >> > satisfactory answer to "Who and where is God?" The answers I do get >> >> > seem to >> >> > be just so much babble that is designed to add confusion to the >> >> > question >> >> > with out really answering it. There have been other muggled answers >> >> > but >> >> > it >> >> > seems that no one within the religious communities want to give the >> >> > answer >> >> > "I really don't know." To them apparently the answer of "It is a >> >> > divine >> >> > mystery is a better answer." is far better. You hear a lot of the >> >> > "divine >> >> > mystery" within the Roman Catholic church in which I was raised. >> >> > >> >> > What I have found out is either beliefs are growing and expanding or >> >> > they >> >> > are dying. I personally want a faith that grows and has the ability >> >> > to >> >> > expand, not one that is rigid and not yielding. >> >> > >> >> > As for divine mysteries the question always pops up n my mind "What >> >> > does >> >> > God >> >> > have to hide?" Mysteries are to be explored and solved. >> >> > Spirituality >> >> > is >> >> > an experience to be lived. The variety can be infinite in nature. I >> >> > have >> >> > met >> >> > several people with experiences similar to mine, they are each unique >> >> > and >> >> > special. You can stop after any one of those experiences and have an >> >> > extremely rich spiritual life. Most people do just that, others after >> >> > one >> >> > experience run off preaching hell fire and brimstone, leaving me >> >> > wondering >> >> > just what their experience was, or those that run off wanting to heal >> >> > everyone. Don't get me wrong healing can be very very real and that >> >> > type >> >> > of >> >> > energy is there, but what is presented reminds me of a song verse 'Oh >> >> > Lord >> >> > won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz , my friends all have Porches and I >> >> > must >> >> > make amends!'. Then again we live in a very gimme world so what can I >> >> > expect. >> >> > >> >> > The name 'Entirety' comes from trying to find an existing word that >> >> > best >> >> > defines my vision of what I conceive God to be and not have it >> >> > tainted >> >> > by >> >> > other predefined definitions. The only word at this point I have >> >> > found >> >> > is >> >> > 'the Entirety'. A simple word that encompasses everything, whether I >> >> > understand it or not. So the word Entirety encompasses all that said >> >> > to >> >> > be >> >> > God and then beyond. >> >> > >> >> > Now the Entirety is everything that is physical spiritual and beyond, >> >> > leaving nothing out. Now our soul and bodies are just simply part of >> >> > the >> >> > entirety. As for trying to explain the concept it is beyond me. There >> >> > are a >> >> > whole lot of questions in this realm to which the only answer I know >> >> > is >> >> > I >> >> > don't know. So you are running up against the I don't know.. maybe >> >> > someday >> >> > someone will be able to answer those questions,, They are a one step >> >> > at >> >> > a >> >> > time thing. That has been my personal experience with spirituality is >> >> > a >> >> > step >> >> > at a time as I would not be able to handle it all at once. >> >> > Spirituality >> >> > has >> >> > to be able to grow and expand. >> >> > >> >> > Please realize I am though a follower of Jesus first of many >> >> > brothers. >> >> > In >> >> > saying that I am not a paulist because he dogma and doctrine wrong, >> >> > they >> >> > destroy the teachings and spirituality of Master Jesus. >> >> > >> >> > The Entirety concept frees everything from dogma and doctrine of >> >> > churches. >> >> > The idea is to understand the relationship between myself and the >> >> > Entirety. >> >> > It seems churches do everything they can do to prevent that >> >> > relationship. >> >> > >> >> > Looking at the Entirety from the stand point of the mandala or wheel >> >> > of >> >> > life. Each soul is looking for its location within that Mandala. It >> >> > is >> >> > only >> >> > recently that the soul has been making sense or at least starting to. >> >> > >> >> > I have several stories similar in nature to my own but they make >> >> > little >> >> > difference as the point is only that often times I see things from a >> >> > different view point hopefully giving an insight as to why. My world >> >> > has >> >> > transformed to a world where the Entirety has become the center of my >> >> > universe. The truth is I don't want the Entirety any place else the >> >> > center >> >> > of my universe. Funny he truly is the center of the universe and so >> >> > much >> >> > more. >> >> > >> >> > The dual nature of man is very interesting. Oddly most churches >> >> > believe >> >> > in >> >> > the spirit side and say there is the soul. From there they talk about >> >> > heaven >> >> > and hell with a whole lot of condemnation and fear used to control >> >> > the >> >> > human >> >> > side. Giving all importance to the physical side, ignoring the >> >> > spiritual >> >> > side. You see the ignoring of the spiritual side in the form of >> >> > greed.. >> >> > murder especially with out conscious thought or care.. everyone is >> >> > responsible for their actions and failure to act. The Teachings of >> >> > the >> >> > different religions are really creating a dangerous world for the >> >> > existence >> >> > of the soul. >> >> > >> >> > Joking around in a discussion I made a comment that maybe we are >> >> > spiritual >> >> > Zombies, only to find out later that there is an islamic group that >> >> > has >> >> > a >> >> > very idea as I was looking at the idea, we have often discussed the >> >> > duality >> >> > of man being both soul and spirit. Now if a person starts looking at >> >> > the >> >> > soul and its preexistence before being born. Then that in reality >> >> > makes >> >> > the >> >> > body a vehicle for the soul. That raises the question what is it a >> >> > vehicle >> >> > for or just what is its purpose. >> >> > >> >> > Now in reality we are spiritual beings, just like what the christian >> >> > world >> >> > refers to as angels. Becoming human is a choice. The Entirety give us >> >> > the >> >> > ability to chose and improve our status on the great mandala or as it >> >> > is >> >> > known in christianity as heaven and earth. Every soul knows what is >> >> > required >> >> > of it to improve its status in the spiritual realm and upon entering >> >> > the >> >> > human vehicle it essentially loses its memory of the realm from >> >> > which >> >> > it >> >> > originated. In the human vehicle it needs to learn that it is a >> >> > spiritual >> >> > being and how it responds determines the status, Oddly there is an >> >> > ancient >> >> > law that simply states 'above all do no harm' and there are many >> >> > ways >> >> > of >> >> > doing harm, in today's world there are many ways that no one even >> >> > blinks >> >> > at >> >> > any more. People have become blind to the rest of the world and what >> >> > effects >> >> > their actions have on the rest of the population. >> >> > >> >> > In the roman rite of christianity there is prayer when you are asking >> >> > forgiveness that goes "in what I have done and what I have failed to >> >> > do." >> >> > and the failed to do in this world is a spiritual killer. The excuse >> >> > there >> >> > is nothing I can do never really holds true. Politicians that are >> >> > raping >> >> > the >> >> > the country for personal gain and that of their buddies. If you are >> >> > voting >> >> > for them you are saying that okay I approve of your actions keep up >> >> > the >> >> > good >> >> > work. When they remove support for the elderly and poor in favor of >> >> > their >> >> > war machine and killing. When you buy stock in companies that are >> >> > raping >> >> > the >> >> > earths minerals and resources. or industries that are robbing people >> >> > to >> >> > put >> >> > better their financial interest.. sometimes in activity or not doing >> >> > or >> >> > saying something is just as damaging to the soul. A person can go on >> >> > for >> >> > volumes and that is what the churches have done - obey the volumes >> >> > of >> >> > laws >> >> > and rules. >> >> > >> >> > Personally I think that if people realized the effect that their >> >> > actions >> >> > have on their soul the world would change.. like a lot of things it >> >> > seems >> >> > that everything is backward,, the importance is stressed on the >> >> > human >> >> > vehicle rather that the soul that it contains. This makes no sense as >> >> > the >> >> > human form last less than 125 years in the greatest majority of >> >> > cases, >> >> > then >> >> > it returns to dust and the soul is resurrected back into the >> >> > spiritual >> >> > realm to find out if it improved its status in the great mandala. >> >> > >> >> > Which is more important. >> >> > Allan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > |_D Allan >> > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> > >> > >> > I am a Natural Airgunner - >> > >> > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> >> > > > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. > > > > > -- > > > --
