I understand that  brought a very expensive IBM printer, my letters always
appeared to be hand typed,  had several wheels so I could change fonts  to
expensive to bring over here  ..  it was expensive to operate..
Allan

Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
On Nov 27, 2012 12:58 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I probably don't disagree Gabs - but we're into meanings.  There's a
> point with technology when people just use it because it's there.
> Britain made its last typewriter the other week,  Much isn't changing
> because of white male (always supported by white females) interests -
> though I really prefer to think of wider traditional interests like
> imperialism.  Gender is something of a blind as is skin colour.  Most
> of my bosses have been useless - cockless or not.  Management is
> metrosexual and presents whatever face it deems necessary.  I don't
> like 'women' - but what might that mean?  I can say the same about
> 'men'.  Or humans.  Or fashion addiction which is common in my
> dislikes.  When I first taught wordprocessing no one could believe
> Typex as on its way out - given bosses often got letters redone
> because they didn't like dot matrix paper ...
>
> On 26 Nov, 16:12, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Transition in male white thinking is usually free and therefore very
> > eco-friendly for the ruling management class, Neil. Technology is not
> > the driver, it is to be controlled to serve my ideology.
> >
> > On 26 Nov., 05:31, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I suspect we need daring to admit we need the transition Lee.  The
> > > plan should be to provide decent livings for all through developing
> > > new ways of living that are eco-friendly.  I doubt there are any real
> > > arguments against this.  But in strategic management the mission and
> > > future scenario bits are easier than 'transition'.  We need the dream
> > > to establish, working back, what the milestones would be.  Somewhere
> > > in this we have to stop war, establish policing that isn't a police
> > > state and so on.  I suspect the driver will have to be technology, as
> > > argument does so little to displace ideology.
> >
> > > On 15 Nov, 13:23, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > There Archy is my achilles heel.  Seeing the end yes I can envisage
> that,
> > > > but as I say better brains than mine will have to handle transition.
> >
> > > > As to idealogy it is clear to me that this changes over time.  For
> example
> > > > as I was growing up the corner shop was the 'Paki' shop, now in this
> > > > country that sort of language, and hence any ideas that go along
> with it,
> > > > even from kids is simply not tolerated anymore.
> >
> > > > On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:35:20 UTC, archytas wrote:
> >
> > > > > The good dream side of this is what you say Lee.  But the thought
> > > > > experiment is a challenge to current ideology.  I've noticed over
> the
> > > > > years that the most passionate defenders of the protestant work
> ethic
> > > > > don't do jobs involving hard work for low pay.
> >
> > > > > On Oct 26, 2:19 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Ahhhh robot heaven is my ideal.
> >
> > > > > > It gets rid of money as nobody would need to barter goods or
> services
> > > > > > to survive, it would mean that humans can spend more time
> growing and
> > > > > > learning, and can you imagine the various works of art, in all
> media?
> >
> > > > > > Now of course the thing to consider is the transitional period,
> and I
> > > > > guess
> > > > > > this is Archy's main thrust.  Our history shows us that
> > > > > > such transitional periods are fraught with violence and
> upheaval, I
> > > > > suspect
> > > > > > a move to robotic heaven would be little different.
> >
> > > > > > So we have robots a plenty and much work going on in robotics.  I
> > > > > suspect
> > > > > > the next thing we'll have to sort is robots that make and repair
> robots.
> >
> > > > > > Should we concentrate then on food and water production and
> > > > > distribution?
> > > > > >  Why yes I think we should.
> >
> > > > > > Get that done and then nobody has to pay for food or water, ahhh
> now we
> > > > > are
> > > > > > getting somewhere.  A world full of thinkers and artists!
> >
> > > > > > Energy next?
> >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, 19 September 2012 22:56:36 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to
> investigate
> > > > > > > the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place
> when the
> > > > > > > method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative
> > > > > > > suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety
> of areas,
> > > > > > > including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and
> physics.
> > > > > > > Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative
> form,
> > > > > > > sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments
> should be
> > > > > > > distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely
> imagining
> > > > > > > any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and
> from
> > > > > > > psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be
> > > > > > > distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as
> they seem
> > > > > > > to require an experimental element.
> > > > > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/
> >
> > > > > > > One I like is the notion of robot heaven.  It's easy enough to
> imagine
> > > > > > > a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do
> our
> > > > > > > work.  The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would
> mean
> > > > > > > for wealth distribution and the nature of society.  What work
> would be
> > > > > > > left to do?  One can also wonder what place any of our work
> ethics
> > > > > > > would have in such a society.  There may be some
> deconstructive effect
> > > > > > > on just what current work ideologies are in place for.
> >
> > > > > > > One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is
> more or
> > > > > > > less never having to go into a bank.  The only real
> innovations in
> > > > > > > banking are the ATM and electronic banking.  This kind of
> technology
> > > > > > > and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce
> the
> > > > > > > amount of human effort to grow and make what we need.  We are
> in
> > > > > > > partial state of robot heaven.
> >
> > > > > > > Our ideologies are not up to speed.  Real unemployment is
> massive and
> > > > > > > education does little to provide job skills.  We are sold
> life-styles
> > > > > > > and products by insane advertising.  Job creation seems to be
> in
> > > > > > > perverse areas like financial services or bringing back
> attended gas-
> > > > > > > pumps.  With more efficient production we should be able to
> afford a
> > > > > > > bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand
> why we
> > > > > > > allow competition through crap wages and conditions.
> >
> > > > > > > A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or
> less free.
> > > > > > > Educational content and utility banking are examples - these
> are areas
> > > > > > > that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing.
> > > > > > > Millions of jobs would go.  We should be asking why jobs are so
> > > > > > > central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might
> > > > > > > encourage work without the rat race.
>
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