Ahh the Malta Fund what an experiment? in just that.. Allan On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:31 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I suspect we need daring to admit we need the transition Lee. The > plan should be to provide decent livings for all through developing > new ways of living that are eco-friendly. I doubt there are any real > arguments against this. But in strategic management the mission and > future scenario bits are easier than 'transition'. We need the dream > to establish, working back, what the milestones would be. Somewhere > in this we have to stop war, establish policing that isn't a police > state and so on. I suspect the driver will have to be technology, as > argument does so little to displace ideology. > > On 15 Nov, 13:23, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> There Archy is my achilles heel. Seeing the end yes I can envisage that, >> but as I say better brains than mine will have to handle transition. >> >> As to idealogy it is clear to me that this changes over time. For example >> as I was growing up the corner shop was the 'Paki' shop, now in this >> country that sort of language, and hence any ideas that go along with it, >> even from kids is simply not tolerated anymore. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:35:20 UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> > The good dream side of this is what you say Lee. But the thought >> > experiment is a challenge to current ideology. I've noticed over the >> > years that the most passionate defenders of the protestant work ethic >> > don't do jobs involving hard work for low pay. >> >> > On Oct 26, 2:19 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Ahhhh robot heaven is my ideal. >> >> > > It gets rid of money as nobody would need to barter goods or services >> > > to survive, it would mean that humans can spend more time growing and >> > > learning, and can you imagine the various works of art, in all media? >> >> > > Now of course the thing to consider is the transitional period, and I >> > guess >> > > this is Archy's main thrust. Our history shows us that >> > > such transitional periods are fraught with violence and upheaval, I >> > suspect >> > > a move to robotic heaven would be little different. >> >> > > So we have robots a plenty and much work going on in robotics. I >> > suspect >> > > the next thing we'll have to sort is robots that make and repair robots. >> >> > > Should we concentrate then on food and water production and >> > distribution? >> > > Why yes I think we should. >> >> > > Get that done and then nobody has to pay for food or water, ahhh now we >> > are >> > > getting somewhere. A world full of thinkers and artists! >> >> > > Energy next? >> >> > > On Wednesday, 19 September 2012 22:56:36 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> > > > Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to investigate >> > > > the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place when the >> > > > method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative >> > > > suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety of areas, >> > > > including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and physics. >> > > > Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative form, >> > > > sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments should be >> > > > distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely imagining >> > > > any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and from >> > > > psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be >> > > > distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as they seem >> > > > to require an experimental element. >> > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/ >> >> > > > One I like is the notion of robot heaven. It's easy enough to imagine >> > > > a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do our >> > > > work. The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would mean >> > > > for wealth distribution and the nature of society. What work would be >> > > > left to do? One can also wonder what place any of our work ethics >> > > > would have in such a society. There may be some deconstructive effect >> > > > on just what current work ideologies are in place for. >> >> > > > One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is more or >> > > > less never having to go into a bank. The only real innovations in >> > > > banking are the ATM and electronic banking. This kind of technology >> > > > and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce the >> > > > amount of human effort to grow and make what we need. We are in >> > > > partial state of robot heaven. >> >> > > > Our ideologies are not up to speed. Real unemployment is massive and >> > > > education does little to provide job skills. We are sold life-styles >> > > > and products by insane advertising. Job creation seems to be in >> > > > perverse areas like financial services or bringing back attended gas- >> > > > pumps. With more efficient production we should be able to afford a >> > > > bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand why we >> > > > allow competition through crap wages and conditions. >> >> > > > A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or less free. >> > > > Educational content and utility banking are examples - these are areas >> > > > that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing. >> > > > Millions of jobs would go. We should be asking why jobs are so >> > > > central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might >> > > > encourage work without the rat race. > > -- > > >
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