We are also dependent and trapped by machines and have lost many basic skills in the process. Machines are our answer to slave and serf labor.
On Nov 30, 4:21 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion. > The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge.... > could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed > by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them > superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The > software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While > the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and > his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to > live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is > terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated > experience lives on. > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: > > > Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide > > unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge > > has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think > > selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem.. > > Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals > > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and > > reactions. > > > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life > > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how > > you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your > > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately > > determines your status in the great mandala.. > > > What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you > > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an > > extremely good soul trapped in a human body. > > Allan > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > wrote: > > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't > > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could > > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are > > > a discarded mistake. > > > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in > > >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the > > >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to > > >> ideas. > > >> Allan > > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures > > Allan. > > > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for > > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and > > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases.. > > >> >> interesting comparison: > > >> >> Allan > > > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the > > hive > > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for > > instance, > > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a > > butt > > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the > > location > > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an > > extraordinary > > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual > > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard > > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air > > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water > > over > > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In > > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for > > worker > > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current > > Biology, > > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the > > abilities > > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct > > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling > > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose > > dolphin's > > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker > > honeybee > > >> >> > manages. > > > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have > > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were > > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The > > brain of > > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," > > said > > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka > > and > > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's > > bumbling > > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was > > investigating > > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number > > of > > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more > > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that > > foragers > > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance > > when > > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this > > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple > > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown > > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, > > for > > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match > > signs > > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not > > just > > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying > > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four. > > > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am > > not > > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple > > of > > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job) > > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly > > all > > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve > > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in > > tissues > > >> >> > surrounding neurons. > > > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing > > what it > > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back. > > > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. > > Seen > > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests > > overlap. > > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind > > spinning. > > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for > > >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I > > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It > > now > > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy. > > > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write > > this!) to > > >> >> >> let news spin. > > > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp > > which > > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, > > dendrites to > > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two > > grains of > > >> >> >> > sand. > > > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their > > Architecture > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm > > > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned > > working in > > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 > > years ago > > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be > > available > > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform). > > > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the > > memex > > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha! > > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor... > > > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :) > > > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated > > by wasp > > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago. > > > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food: > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a... > > > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on > > recognition to keep > > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests. > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f... > > > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and > > a bit > > >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably > > with an > > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't > > know how > > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I > > rather > > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and > > other > > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive > > (which > > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
