I have a little hope that our specializations will promote self
awareness in culture. Personal mindfulness is good but what I think we
need is more diverse language in the gene-culture layer for self
guidance, whereas personal aptitudes would be the platform and
technology providing enhancement through augmentation of those
aptitudes. Still mulling it over, but we are not ready to establish OSI
layers of abstraction, it still seems too... Asperger-like. I could just
be projecting though! :)
On 12/1/2012 8:30 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
We are also dependent and trapped by machines and have lost many basic
skills in the process. Machines are our answer to slave and serf
labor.
On Nov 30, 4:21 am, andrew vecsey<[email protected]> wrote:
I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
experience lives on.
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide
unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
reactions.
I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
determines your status in the great mandala..
What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
Allan
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas<[email protected]<javascript:>>
wrote:
I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
a discarded mistake.
On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H<[email protected]> wrote:
You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
ideas.
Allan
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas<[email protected]> wrote:
We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
Allan.
On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H<[email protected]> wrote:
maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
interesting comparison:
Allan
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas<[email protected]>
wrote:
We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
hive
lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
instance,
have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
butt
to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
location
(Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
extraordinary
range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
over
the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
worker
honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
Biology,
vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
abilities
of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
dolphin's
120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
honeybee
manages.
Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
brain of
a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
said
von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
and
others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
bumbling
exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
investigating
the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
of
3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
foragers
seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
when
working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
for
instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
signs
using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
just
rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
not
sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple
of
yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly
all
resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
tissues
surrounding neurons.
On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas<[email protected]> wrote:
Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
what it
said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
Seen
most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
overlap.
Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
spinning.
I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It
now
boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
this!) to
let news spin.
On 23 Nov, 04:48, James<[email protected]> wrote:
Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
which
undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
dendrites to
the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
grains of
sand.
Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
Architecture
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
working in
audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
years ago
with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
available
in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
memex
and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
by wasp
neurology a couple months ago.
Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
recognition to keep
the peace, study suggests.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
a bit
of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
with an
alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't
know how
to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I
rather
like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
other
civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive
(which
sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
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