isn't that what is said in transcendentalism.. the crossing of the Time space barrier and bringing back new information.. Think I have kind of believed in that since my early teen years. Allan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:28 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Allan - I'm rather fond of you. Our relationship with future > knowledge may be close to that between us and a deity. Super- > intelligence may already be around us waiting for us to pass through > the singularity to 'machine' intelligence. The machine will probably > be biological. > > On 29 Nov, 19:45, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide >> unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge >> has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think >> selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem.. >> Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals >> are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and >> reactions. >> >> I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life >> is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how >> you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your >> drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately >> determines your status in the great mandala.. >> >> What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you >> live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an >> extremely good soul trapped in a human body. >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't >> > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could >> > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are >> > a discarded mistake. >> >> > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in >> >> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the >> >> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to >> >> ideas. >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan. >> >> >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for >> >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and >> >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases.. >> >> >> interesting comparison: >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive >> >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance, >> >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt >> >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location >> >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary >> >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual >> >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard >> >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air >> >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over >> >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In >> >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker >> >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology, >> >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities >> >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct >> >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling >> >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's >> >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee >> >> >> > manages. >> >> >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have >> >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were >> >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said >> >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling >> >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating >> >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of >> >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more >> >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers >> >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when >> >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this >> >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple >> >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown >> >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for >> >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs >> >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not >> >> >> > just >> >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying >> >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four. >> >> >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am >> >> >> > not >> >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple of >> >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job) >> >> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly all >> >> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve >> >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in >> >> >> > tissues >> >> >> > surrounding neurons. >> >> >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what >> >> >> >> it >> >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back. >> >> >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. Seen >> >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap. >> >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning. >> >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for >> >> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I >> >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It >> >> >> >> now >> >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy. >> >> >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> let news spin. >> >> >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which >> >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, >> >> >> >> > dendrites to >> >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two >> >> >> >> > grains of >> >> >> >> > sand. >> >> >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their >> >> >> >> > Architecture >> >> >> >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm >> >> >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 >> >> >> >> > years ago >> >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be >> >> >> >> > available >> >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform). >> >> >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the >> >> >> >> > memex >> >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha! >> >> >> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor... >> >> >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :) >> >> >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by >> >> >> >> > wasp >> >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago. >> >> >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get >> >> >> >> > Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a... >> >> >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition >> >> >> >> > to keep >> >> >> >> > the peace, study >> >> >> >> > suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f... >> >> >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a >> >> >> >> > > bit >> >> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with >> >> >> >> > > an >> >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't >> >> >> >> > > know how >> >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I >> >> >> >> > > rather >> >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and >> >> >> >> > > other >> >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive >> >> >> >> > > (which >> >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could >> >> >> >> > > be >> >> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think >> >> >> >> > > of it >> >> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works. We may see a >> >> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production >> >> >> >> > > available to all. In some parts of science we are thinking the >> >> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already. >> >> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated >> >> >> >> > > with >> >> >> >> > > social isolation. In mice these changes leave the mice >> >> >> >> > > uninterested >> >> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal). The brain is much more >> >> >> >> > > plastic >> >> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing. On the familiarity >> >> >> >> > > thing >> >> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation >> >> >> >> > > including p >> >> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced >> >> >> >> > > to us >> >> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem. I take Deutsch as warning us against >> >> >> >> > > Bacon's >> >> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre. >> >> >> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my >> >> >> >> > >> instincts tell me >> >> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so >> >> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the >> >> >> >> > >> cognitive bias >> >> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on >> >> >> >> > >> counterfactuals IMO. >> >> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1 >> >> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
