You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of Creation with its series of universes.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. as for > parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to support the > other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the spiritual > realm than parallel universes > Allan > > Matrix ** th3 beginning light > > On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning and >> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel and >> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , but >> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just like >> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference is >> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is non-dual. >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hello Andrew, >> > >> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not true. I >> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is all that >> > is >> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To me there >> > is >> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there was >> > only >> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt of >> > God. >> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >> > >> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >> >> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it >> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I >> >> could >> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a >> >> vibration in >> >> the fabric of space, >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is >> >>> matter >> >>> and matter is energy. >> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not >> >>>> matter, >> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much >> >>>> easier >> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could >> >>>> have >> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective >> >>>> processes to >> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that >> >>>> patterns of >> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >> >>>> >> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated >> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required >> >>>> for >> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent >> >>>> beings >> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they >> >>>> came >> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and >> >>>> purpose could >> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite >> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which >> >>>>> creation >> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes >> >>>>> closer. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live >> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but >> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the >> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are >> >>>>> > > already >> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be >> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies >> >>>>> > > are >> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate >> >>>>> > > could >> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'. >> >>>>> > > Such >> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to >> >>>>> > > re- >> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This >> >>>>> > > would >> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >> >>>>> > > intelligence >> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would >> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human >> >>>>> > > being >> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free >> >>>>> > > again. >> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of >> >>>>> > > our >> >>>>> > > behaviour now. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr >> >>>>> > >> Allan >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >>>>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> >> >>>>> > >> wrote: >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my >> >>>>> > >> > grammar and >> >>>>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :) >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <[email protected]> >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively. >> >>>>> > >> >> Maybe. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for >> >>>>> > >> >>> immortality >> >>>>> > >> >>> and the >> >>>>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an >> >>>>> > >> >>> off-shoot of >> >>>>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>> -- >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >> -- >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > -- >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > -- >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> >> > -- > > > --
