Dear Gabby. Your problem of accepting "man-made" concepts or thoughts is puzzling for me. Are you not human? What else is there????
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 6:38:22 PM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote: > > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find the God > concept much more to the point. :) > > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then matter - > though. This sounds very man-made to me. ;) > > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is much more vivid > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's true. But the > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which is really good. > > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking about? > > > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no supporting evidence.. >> Allan >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of >> > Creation with its series of universes. >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <[email protected]<javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. as >> for >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to support >> the >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the >> spiritual >> >> realm than parallel universes >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning and >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel and >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , but >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just like >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference is >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is non-dual. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas >> >>> <[email protected]<javascript:> >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Hello Andrew, >> >>> > >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not true. >> I >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is all >> that >> >>> > is >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To me >> there >> >>> > is >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there >> was >> >>> > only >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt of >> >>> > God. >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >> >>> > >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to >> it >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. >> But I >> >>> >> could >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a >> >>> >> vibration in >> >>> >> the fabric of space, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is >> >>> >>> matter >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was >> not >> >>> >>>> matter, >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and >> much >> >>> >>>> easier >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns >> could >> >>> >>>> have >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective >> >>> >>>> processes to >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that >> >>> >>>> patterns of >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they >> manipulated >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information >> required >> >>> >>>> for >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex >> intelligent >> >>> >>>> beings >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where >> they >> >>> >>>> came >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and >> >>> >>>> purpose could >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an >> infinite >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which >> >>> >>>>> creation >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes >> >>> >>>>> closer. >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain >> live >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe >> ,but >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of >> the >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing >> else. >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We >> are >> >>> >>>>> > > already >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could >> be >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our >> bodies >> >>> >>>>> > > are >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new >> substrate >> >>> >>>>> > > could >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's >> 'hope'. >> >>> >>>>> > > Such >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be >> able to >> >>> >>>>> > > re- >> >>> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. >> This >> >>> >>>>> > > would >> >>> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such >> >>> >>>>> > > intelligence >> >>> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence >> would >> >>> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or >> human >> >>> >>>>> > > being >> >>> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live >> free >> >>> >>>>> > > again. >> >>> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part >> of >> >>> >>>>> > > our >> >>> >>>>> > > behaviour now. >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr >> >>> >>>>> > >> Allan >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >>> >>>>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected] >> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then >> (my >> >>> >>>>> > >> > grammar and >> >>> >>>>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! >> :) >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, >> coextensively. >> >>> >>>>> > >> >> Maybe. >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> immortality >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> and the >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It >> is an >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> off-shoot of >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival. >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> -- >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> >> -- >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > >> > -- >> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>>>> > > -- >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner - >> >> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. >> >> -- >> >> >> >> > --
