law created by legislation are little more than an excuse to break them Allan
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:00 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Laws enacted by the legislature and enforced by the executive can be > called a moral code of conduct with regard to a social group. > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hm, how about: ... is about negotiating a moral code of conduct in a group >> of social beings? >> >> >> 2012/12/9 RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> >>> Religion is first and foremost about prayer and worship. There is no >>> need for that but we must accept a morality code and adhere by it , >>> there should be a feeling of love for one's fellow creatures and >>> tolerance towards them. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I >>> > sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains. I was born into the tradition, >>> > but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering >>> > with soccer and cricket. I have no doubt we should focus more on >>> > spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to >>> > others. I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning >>> > women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about >>> > outsiders and being part of god's chosen. It's hard to think like >>> > this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and >>> > white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank. The inner danger is >>> > becoming religiously anti-religious. I'm actually rather touched by >>> > good aspects of some of the stuff. >>> > I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it >>> > to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or >>> > murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican. >>> > Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and >>> > religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory >>> > with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might >>> > otherwise take opiates. >>> > A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein >>> > Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing >>> > the plot entirely. We could do with some sensible religion and >>> > economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable. >>> > Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to >>> > do that for us. >>> > >>> > On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> xtian aka christianity >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line >>> >> > about Pilate! :-) >>> >> >>> >> > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. >>> >> >>> >> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back >>> >> >> to >>> >> >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from >>> >> >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that >>> >> >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. >>> >> >>> >> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating >>> >> >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god. >>> >> >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science >>> >> >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. >>> >> >> The >>> >> >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its >>> >> >> history >>> >> >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn >>> >> >> in terms of grace and fellowship. >>> >> >>> >> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that >>> >> >> > you >>> >> >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash >>> >> >> > after >>> >> >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. >>> >> >> > Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning >>> >> >> > > my hands. I >>> >> >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more >>> >> >> > > difficult dirt on >>> >> >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often >>> >> >> > > I wear >>> >> >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for >>> >> >> > > the tip. >>> >> >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead >>> >> >> > > of stone, >>> >> >> > > you're right. >>> >> >>> >> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >>> >> >> > > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used >>> >> >> > >> for >>> >> >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, >>> >> >> > >> Garlic ,, >>> >> >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left >>> >> >> > >> over from >>> >> >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does >>> >> >> > >> it work? >>> >> >> > >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find >>> >> >> > >> > the God >>> >> >> > >> > concept >>> >> >> > >> > much more to the point. :) >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then >>> >> >> > >> > matter - >>> >> >> > >> > though. >>> >> >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is >>> >> >> > >> > much more >>> >> >> > >> > vivid >>> >> >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's >>> >> >> > >> > true. But >>> >> >> > >> > the >>> >> >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which >>> >> >> > >> > is really >>> >> >> > >> > good. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking >>> >> >> > >> > about? >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no >>> >> >> > >> >> supporting >>> >> >> > >> >> evidence.. >>> >> >> > >> >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not >>> >> >> > >> >> > that of >>> >> >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H >>> >> >> > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much >>> >> >> > >> >> >> pinpointed .. as >>> >> >> > >> >> >> for >>> >> >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing >>> >> >> > >> >> >> to support >>> >> >> > >> >> >> the >>> >> >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence >>> >> >> > >> >> >> supporting the >>> >> >> > >> >> >> spiritual >>> >> >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes >>> >> >> > >> >> >> Allan >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> beginning >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> parallel >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> dying , >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> but >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> time , just >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> like >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> difference is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> non-dual. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew, >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > are not >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > true. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > I >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Mattter is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > all >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > that >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > energy. To >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > me >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > there >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > begining there >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > was >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > only >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of the spirt >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > vecsey wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> component >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> it >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> motion in them. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> But I >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> could >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> atoms...like a >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space, >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Douglas >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> to it.energy >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> is >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> vecsey wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> can be >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> original creator >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter, >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> faster and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> energy patterns >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> selective >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> believe that >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> information >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> complex >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> riddle of where >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Meaning and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> archytas >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> posit >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> that in an >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> state in which >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> Truth >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > could the brain >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the universe >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > end - time of >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else. >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > mutations etc. We >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > One's mind >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > future) - our >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > the new >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > outlive Lee's >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'. >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in >>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > super-intelligence and be >>> >> >>> >> ... >>> >> >>> >> read more ยป >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. I am a Natural Airgunner - Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly. --
