Laws enacted by the legislature and enforced by the executive can be called a moral code of conduct with regard to a social group.
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Hm, how about: ... is about negotiating a moral code of conduct in a group > of social beings? > > > 2012/12/9 RP Singh <[email protected]> >> >> Religion is first and foremost about prayer and worship. There is no >> need for that but we must accept a morality code and adhere by it , >> there should be a feeling of love for one's fellow creatures and >> tolerance towards them. >> >> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I >> > sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains. I was born into the tradition, >> > but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering >> > with soccer and cricket. I have no doubt we should focus more on >> > spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to >> > others. I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning >> > women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about >> > outsiders and being part of god's chosen. It's hard to think like >> > this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and >> > white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank. The inner danger is >> > becoming religiously anti-religious. I'm actually rather touched by >> > good aspects of some of the stuff. >> > I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it >> > to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or >> > murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican. >> > Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and >> > religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory >> > with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might >> > otherwise take opiates. >> > A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein >> > Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing >> > the plot entirely. We could do with some sensible religion and >> > economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable. >> > Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to >> > do that for us. >> > >> > On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> xtian aka christianity >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line >> >> > about Pilate! :-) >> >> >> >> > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. >> >> >> >> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back >> >> >> to >> >> >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from >> >> >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that >> >> >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. >> >> >> >> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating >> >> >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god. >> >> >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science >> >> >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. >> >> >> The >> >> >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its >> >> >> history >> >> >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn >> >> >> in terms of grace and fellowship. >> >> >> >> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that >> >> >> > you >> >> >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash >> >> >> > after >> >> >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. >> >> >> > Allan >> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning >> >> >> > > my hands. I >> >> >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more >> >> >> > > difficult dirt on >> >> >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often >> >> >> > > I wear >> >> >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for >> >> >> > > the tip. >> >> >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead >> >> >> > > of stone, >> >> >> > > you're right. >> >> >> >> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic >> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used >> >> >> > >> for >> >> >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, >> >> >> > >> Garlic ,, >> >> >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left >> >> >> > >> over from >> >> >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. >> >> >> >> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does >> >> >> > >> it work? >> >> >> > >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find >> >> >> > >> > the God >> >> >> > >> > concept >> >> >> > >> > much more to the point. :) >> >> >> >> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then >> >> >> > >> > matter - >> >> >> > >> > though. >> >> >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) >> >> >> >> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is >> >> >> > >> > much more >> >> >> > >> > vivid >> >> >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's >> >> >> > >> > true. But >> >> >> > >> > the >> >> >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which >> >> >> > >> > is really >> >> >> > >> > good. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking >> >> >> > >> > about? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no >> >> >> > >> >> supporting >> >> >> > >> >> evidence.. >> >> >> > >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not >> >> >> > >> >> > that of >> >> >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H >> >> >> > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much >> >> >> > >> >> >> pinpointed .. as >> >> >> > >> >> >> for >> >> >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing >> >> >> > >> >> >> to support >> >> >> > >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence >> >> >> > >> >> >> supporting the >> >> >> > >> >> >> spiritual >> >> >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes >> >> >> > >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> beginning >> >> >> > >> >> >>> and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in >> >> >> > >> >> >>> parallel >> >> >> > >> >> >>> and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are >> >> >> > >> >> >>> dying , >> >> >> > >> >> >>> but >> >> >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal >> >> >> > >> >> >>> time , just >> >> >> > >> >> >>> like >> >> >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The >> >> >> > >> >> >>> difference is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit >> >> >> > >> >> >>> is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> non-dual. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas >> >> >> > >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > are not >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > true. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > I >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Mattter is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > all >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > that >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > energy. To >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > me >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > there >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > begining there >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > was >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > only >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of the spirt >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > vecsey wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> component >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> it >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> motion in them. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> But I >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> could >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> atoms...like a >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Douglas >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> to it.energy >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> is >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> vecsey wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> can be >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> original creator >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter, >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> faster and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> energy patterns >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> selective >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> believe that >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> information >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> complex >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> riddle of where >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Meaning and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> archytas >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> posit >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> that in an >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> state in which >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> Truth >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > could the brain >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the universe >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > end - time of >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > mutations etc. We >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > One's mind >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > future) - our >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > the new >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > outlive Lee's >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'. >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in >> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > super-intelligence and be >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> read more ยป >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > --
