In truth RP, we all do accept a moral code, and we largely adhere to it. This comes from our parents and our societies though, rather than any religious dogma.
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 18:15:42 UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > Religion is first and foremost about prayer and worship. There is no > need for that but we must accept a morality code and adhere by it , > there should be a feeling of love for one's fellow creatures and > tolerance towards them. > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM, archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I > > sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains. I was born into the tradition, > > but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering > > with soccer and cricket. I have no doubt we should focus more on > > spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to > > others. I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning > > women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about > > outsiders and being part of god's chosen. It's hard to think like > > this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and > > white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank. The inner danger is > > becoming religiously anti-religious. I'm actually rather touched by > > good aspects of some of the stuff. > > I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it > > to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or > > murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican. > > Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and > > religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory > > with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might > > otherwise take opiates. > > A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein > > Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing > > the plot entirely. We could do with some sensible religion and > > economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable. > > Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to > > do that for us. > > > > On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> xtian aka christianity > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line > >> > about Pilate! :-) > >> > >> > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used. > >> > >> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back > to > >> >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from > >> >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that > >> >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct. > >> > >> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating > >> >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god. > >> >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science > >> >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more. > The > >> >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its > history > >> >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn > >> >> in terms of grace and fellowship. > >> > >> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that > you > >> >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash > after > >> >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone. > >> >> > Allan > >> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning > my hands. I > >> >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more > difficult dirt on > >> >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often > I wear > >> >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for > the tip. > >> >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead > of stone, > >> >> > > you're right. > >> > >> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used > for > >> >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion, > Garlic ,, > >> >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left > over from > >> >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler. > >> > >> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does > it work? > >> >> > >> Allan > >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find > the God > >> >> > >> > concept > >> >> > >> > much more to the point. :) > >> > >> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then > matter - > >> >> > >> > though. > >> >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;) > >> > >> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is > much more > >> >> > >> > vivid > >> >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's > true. But > >> >> > >> > the > >> >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which > is really > >> >> > >> > good. > >> > >> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking > about? > >> > >> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <[email protected]> > >> > >> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no > supporting > >> >> > >> >> evidence.. > >> >> > >> >> Allan > >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not > that of > >> >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes. > >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much > pinpointed .. as > >> >> > >> >> >> for > >> >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing > to support > >> >> > >> >> >> the > >> >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence > supporting the > >> >> > >> >> >> spiritual > >> >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes > >> >> > >> >> >> Allan > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is > beginning > >> >> > >> >> >>> and > >> >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in > parallel > >> >> > >> >> >>> and > >> >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are > dying , > >> >> > >> >> >>> but > >> >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal > time , just > >> >> > >> >> >>> like > >> >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The > difference is > >> >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit > is > >> >> > >> >> >>> non-dual. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]> > >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew, > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them > are not > >> >> > >> >> >>> > true. > >> >> > >> >> >>> > I > >> >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. > Mattter is > >> >> > >> >> >>> > all > >> >> > >> >> >>> > that > >> >> > >> >> >>> > is > >> >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also > energy. To > >> >> > >> >> >>> > me > >> >> > >> >> >>> > there > >> >> > >> >> >>> > is > >> >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the > begining there > >> >> > >> >> >>> > was > >> >> > >> >> >>> > only > >> >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out > of the spirt > >> >> > >> >> >>> > of > >> >> > >> >> >>> > God. > >> >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew > vecsey wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy > component > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> to > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> it > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have > motion in them. > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> But I > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> could > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any > atoms...like a > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space, > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee > Douglas > >> >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down > to it.energy > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> is > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy. > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew > vecsey wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator > can be > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the > original creator > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter, > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much > faster and > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that > energy patterns > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by > selective > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists > believe that > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent > life. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that > they > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the > information > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to > complex > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the > riddle of where > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. > Meaning and > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, > archytas > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to > posit > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created > that in an > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent > state in which > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and > Truth > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long > could the brain > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as > the universe > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the > end - time of > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life > and > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else. > >> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]> > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to > mutations etc. We > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. > One's mind > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish > future) - our > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and > the new > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to > outlive Lee's > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'. > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such > >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in > super-intelligence and be > >> > >> ... > >> > >> read more ยป > > > > -- > > > > > > > --
