I know I put it out there so what are your thoughts since you have put the though into it what are they Allan
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:35 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Because you have put it forward in a previous thread and is there for > everyone to contemplate and assess and give an opinion. Nothing > personal , you know. > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> why would you be even considering my mandala? >> Allan >> >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:09 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> You can understand only that which you are capable of understanding >>> and no amount of reiteration can change that--but still one hopes. I >>> have given a lot of consideration to your mandala , whether it is >>> great or small , and I have to admit that you will find me to be an >>> atheist in that regard. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> That is not what you said,, you said god is Nature and nature is a >>>> know form and shape (s) .. the argument you are using a definition >>>> god is nature is one of atheism uses to prove their is no god.. >>>> >>>> You are right I have known that for a long time you always come back >>>> to the same point ,, again and again you have no freedom to learn and >>>> what is more important is grow in spirituality..but that is what >>>> happens when you beliefs that don't allow one iota of freedom. you >>>> act as if you have all the freedom of the universe,, but you always >>>> come back to the same point you have not one iota of freedom. in >>>> other words you have no real beliefs just hand me down dogma and >>>> doctrine which you dare not stray from.. that is okay souther baptist >>>> are the same way.. no big deal salvation is based how you live your >>>> life or let me see dharma >>>> >>>> You have no idea of what my relationship is with my God because it is >>>> not your god and you do not to understand nor do you want to >>>> understand the beliefs of others.. >>>> >>>> You really are funny as you have no idea of your place on the great >>>> mandala. much less mine. It is not my place to judge. RP you have no >>>> real idea of what spirituality is.. there is a big difference between >>>> me and you .. I am willing to learn >>>> Allan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:24 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> An atheist is a person who does not believe in God , whereas , Allan, >>>>> to me God is more powerful than He is to you. My God is omnipotent and >>>>> does not allow even an iota of freedom , whereas you are forever free >>>>> to do as you wish and god like your father only scolds you and is >>>>> before your eyes to hear and see. To me God is formless and >>>>> unattainable , whereas you are always seeing Him and attain to Him >>>>> when you reach that stage in your mandala. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> You are funny RP the argument is simple you are an devote atheist >>>>>> and before your statement is the exact argument that has been used >>>>>> for generations of atheists... Why would I search for deeper meaning >>>>>> in statements of what I consider foolishness.. for your reading >>>>>> information what you are trying to say is involved in >>>>>> transcendentalism.. that can go in many directions and in itself is >>>>>> interesting. >>>>>> You RP are the perfect Atheist by definition what is funnier you >>>>>> don't know it.. lol >>>>>> Allan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:03 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I don't understand your argument , but one thing is sure that I have >>>>>>> never claimed to have had visions. I have always believed in an undual >>>>>>> God , Nature or Atman which by my definition transcends awareness or >>>>>>> to be blunt is unconscious. I know you have never read my posts >>>>>>> carefully and thus your confusion regarding my statements and beliefs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Sorry RP heard that discussion before over a coffee table in Florida >>>>>>>> some `25 years ago and the person laying forth the argument is a >>>>>>>> devote atheist argument and not new. simple one way to explain on >>>>>>>> going life and expanding knowledge,, one used by atheist.. >>>>>>>> Now you are claiming that atheist believe in God.. verry confusing.. >>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:36 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Allan , an atheist is a person who doesn't believe in intelligent >>>>>>>>> design. God and Nature are one and the same. Merry Christmas to you ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> you are a very confusing person RP ..one moment you claim to be >>>>>>>>>> enlightened with visions and deep spiritual convictions and here you >>>>>>>>>> are desperately trying to prove you are an atheist,, and atheism is >>>>>>>>>> acceptable .. or are you just a confused puppy not knowing where to >>>>>>>>>> turn? >>>>>>>>>> Have a good holiday >>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of believing in an Intelligent designer if we believe that >>>>>>>>>>> Nature itself is inherently intelligent and things move on with an >>>>>>>>>>> intelligent purpose , which though not easily recognizable as such, >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> in any case true may well be within your belief system , Neil. In >>>>>>>>>>> spite of mayhem caused by natural disasters life still moves on and >>>>>>>>>>> the fact that Nature will one day destroy all life and the universe >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't negate its intelligence. Growth doesn't move forward >>>>>>>>>>> continuously but after a certain stage decay starts creeping in. >>>>>>>>>>> Everything is born , grows , and dies and this is true for all >>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of Nature and doesn't negate its intelligent design. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:57 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to agree RP, though I don't stretch to an intelligent >>>>>>>>>>>> designer >>>>>>>>>>>> other than as a possibility. We might be approaching a tipping >>>>>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>>>>> on the reason for existence. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Dec, 18:29, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> The systematic way in which this body is formed and works shows >>>>>>>>>>>>> that there >>>>>>>>>>>>> is Intelligence in Nature and we won't be far wrong if we call it >>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent design. That which appears to be random choice is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually a >>>>>>>>>>>>> high level of Intelligence. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>> |_D Allan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself, >>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> |_D Allan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself, >>>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ( >>>>>> ) >>>>>> |_D Allan >>>>>> >>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course I talk to myself, >>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ( >>>> ) >>>> |_D Allan >>>> >>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >>>> >>>> Of course I talk to myself, >>>> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice.. --
