No Gabby I do not ,, repeating do not understand how it works,, I still do not understand it,, but a friend of mine Tim talked me into doing a group..
Guess I will be finding out.. scary as hell Allan On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:26 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > At least everyone saying things for money and fame mean what they say, may > it be the truth, the lie, the illusion, the dream - all these sayings serve > a very real purpose for the speaker, Allan. > > So bad google+ is now good google+. How come? You understand how it works > now? The prospect of community ownership made you have a second look? Are we > ready now to reconsider an advertising channel for "Minds Eye" there? > > > 2013/1/24 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> Actually I think Obama means what he is saying and in reality is >> having to fight the republican party that is more interested the rich >> than the welfare of the nations people. Bear in mind the greatest >> majority of the nations debt was brought on duing republican >> administrations or as a direct result of laws passed by the republican >> party.. >> Blame needs to be placed correctly.. >> >> well all things aside I created a community on google + called >> "Soul" in case you are interested >> Allan >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Back from Max's wrestle with a Boxer (lost on points) and a snowman >> > (won with leaping kick), we have Cameron lying on tax evasion with no >> > mention of Britain's role via offshore. He moves on to talk of >> > tackling poverty through democracy, peace, rule of law and >> > transparency. The worrying thing is how he manages to sound like a >> > champion and must, like Obama, mean none of it. Now he's saying big >> > bankers have told him to pursue the open society agenda! Arggh! >> > >> > On Jan 24, 8:48 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was only thinking out loud rigs. In science we don't even know what >> >> mass is, but still manage to weight it accurately for most purposes. >> >> Start trying to produce mass from energy (without something given in >> >> nature like photosynthesis) and politics looks simple! My guess has >> >> long been most of us don't want to know about politics but would like >> >> it done honestly - and there lies the snag, summed-up in the term >> >> transparency - this looks simple but is a double-edged sword (as in my >> >> tax return is due and I won't be transparent! - though I am honest and >> >> do pay up). I hate the way the real issues are really denied debate >> >> and part of that is our desires for reasonably private family life. >> >> >> >> I do fear we are at a tipping point and can't see the benefits of more >> >> transparency and the role of machines in this. My mate Dave runs a >> >> second till in his pub and sells the odd bottle of spirits through it >> >> - thus cheating the brewery and tax man. Without this no pub - the >> >> business model for such pubs has collapsed. I turn a blind eye and >> >> hope he succeeds. I've know many business people who had to cheat, >> >> lie to the bank and so on to get through hard times, often creating >> >> successful businesses. I don't think big business should behave this >> >> way - but the business cycle does provide some justification. I >> >> wonder how many 'Dave fiddles' make a Starbucks? >> >> >> >> If you look at China (allegedly communist - though some way from the >> >> 16th century German Christian communist rebellions) you find billions >> >> being invested in US/EU property by an elite - this kind of money from >> >> all over should be invested in more social and scientific capital. I >> >> think we could get to that without revolution and are largely >> >> restrained by fear. It's not that long since we couldn't talk of the >> >> Sun and planets orbiting same without doing auto da fe. I thus see >> >> economics restrained by instruments of torture and incapable of the >> >> courage once needed in science. I am pessimistic on educating a >> >> critical mass of people and the nightmare is the mass of people are >> >> breeding us to a precipice. I also fear technology may spread to >> >> terrorists in a way we have only yet imagined through machine >> >> expertise in chemical engineering. >> >> >> >> In the end we run away from the reality, much as I'm about to do with >> >> Max and the day job - this usually works rigs - but I suspect the >> >> energy in the zeitgeist is low! He knows his walk is due and is now >> >> grumping about accusing me of stealing his 'nose time' in the universe >> >> outside the door I don;t 'see' like him. >> >> >> >> On 23 Jan, 14:22, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > there was a time when american politicians worked for the good of the >> >> > people. Today that is that has all changed.. the republican party is >> >> > willing to hold the nation hostage so they can support the high >> >> > priest >> >> > of the golden calf.. making sure the poor pay the taxes and not the >> >> > extremely wealthy.. >> >> >> >> > Oh well greed has it problems usually in less than 100 year when they >> >> > face their resurrection,, but the it is to late .,.,. poor souls.. >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > He's also as stubborn as a mule Allan - makes him even better >> >> > > really. >> >> >> >> > > Your pros and cons (plus margins) had me thinking rigs - I've been >> >> > > asked for a book chapter on 'why economics isn't a science' and saw >> >> > > a >> >> > > set of scales as I read your comments. Coincidentally, Obama was >> >> > > doing his inauguration speech on tv and I remembered you don't like >> >> > > him - he changed to a lying toad in front of my eyes (literally in >> >> > > my >> >> > > head - though I always know I'm seeing an illusion). It was the >> >> > > 'bringing democracy to all nations of the world' bit. Stuff lies >> >> > > to >> >> > > us in science - mass is the classic - we treat it as creating >> >> > > gravitational force (yet gravity is an illusion in general >> >> > > relativity) >> >> > > and also treat it in terms of inertia - experimental results >> >> > > coincidentally 'prove' both. US (and all other) imperialism should >> >> > > make a statement like Obama's impossible to perceive other than as >> >> > > a >> >> > > lie (the historical evidence is that we have subverted democracy >> >> > > almost everywhere). I know from my own experience as an >> >> > > experimenter >> >> > > that it is very difficult to set up measurement. Thinking of this >> >> > > woolly mix I went to bed and dreamed of politicians as cheating >> >> > > alchemists. The dream turned sour at that point when I sensed I >> >> > > was >> >> > > on to something. >> >> >> >> > > I can see a machine able to flag up (say) US foreign policy effects >> >> > > as >> >> > > politicians make their promises - clanking up pros and cons to make >> >> > > lying in performance management more obvious. Science is aware >> >> > > that >> >> > > it still gets caught up in myths (like creation and big bang - can >> >> > > we >> >> > > think without origin) but essentially works hard on making factual >> >> > > databases 'anyone' can use in terms of knowing what and knowing >> >> > > how. >> >> > > The economic-political system generally prevents this altogether. >> >> > > Don't really know what I'm on about - but I'm not scared by the >> >> > > machine possibilities and suspect somewhere in this I don;t believe >> >> > > we >> >> > > are human yet - and might only become so with machine help. >> >> >> >> > > Time to unleash the hound! >> >> > > On Jan 23, 6:56 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> sounds like a great dog Neil >> >> >> >> > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > Maxwell is a stubby-legged Labrador and a bit of a wimp. He's a >> >> > >> > sweetie. >> >> >> >> > >> > On Jan 22, 1:40 pm, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> My last was a lab-shepherd with high energy till he grew old- >> >> > >> >> age 13. >> >> > >> >> Also had a Chesapeake Bay retriever- another large dog that >> >> > >> >> loves >> >> > >> >> water. I have a large backyard but he really needed a field- >> >> > >> >> stream- >> >> > >> >> woods,etc. This cold is hard on paws- some fit their dogs with >> >> > >> >> sweaters and booties.//Yes- it does seem the Brits collapse in >> >> > >> >> snow >> >> > >> >> and unusual weather but it's a strange year- even Jerusalem >> >> > >> >> could make >> >> > >> >> snowmen this year. Anyway- happy travels today. >> >> >> >> > >> >> On Jan 22, 12:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Max loves the snow - though we rarely drop much below >> >> > >> >> > freezing here >> >> > >> >> > even with wind-chill. I'm off into Manchester today, >> >> > >> >> > assuming out >> >> > >> >> > trains run on a quarter of an inch of snow, >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On Jan 22, 1:07 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > brrr. We might be there overnight. The deep freeze. >> >> > >> >> > > Wonderful >> >> > >> >> > > world. We move through it regardless. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > On Jan 21, 10:24 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > My earlier post has been diverted to outer space, it >> >> > >> >> > > > seems. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > That loneliness may be a cover, you know. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > Saul Bellow was a rascal. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > The speed of information leads to surprise and a protean >> >> > >> >> > > > miss, often. >> >> > >> >> > > > I look for patterns in history/culture and try to keep >> >> > >> >> > > > two columns- >> >> > >> >> > > > pro and con with hope for the margins. The top tiers of >> >> > >> >> > > > government are >> >> > >> >> > > > usually the culprits rather than their off-spring- and >> >> > >> >> > > > it's true of >> >> > >> >> > > > tribes as well as complicated systems- the buck really >> >> > >> >> > > > does stop- even >> >> > >> >> > > > in suitcases of cash and packets of Viagra. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > My "dog" would need diapers- we're at -30 wind chill >> >> > >> >> > > > factor. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > On Jan 21, 6:10 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > > > > Of course, I don't expect anything tangled-up with >> >> > >> >> > > > > government and >> >> > >> >> > > > > academic bureaucracy to produce much practical. The >> >> > >> >> > > > > gist was once >> >> > >> >> > > > > that we should aim for praxis, a form of rational >> >> > >> >> > > > > action. For some >> >> > >> >> > > > > the guide was marxism, but most of us grew up with a >> >> > >> >> > > > > form of Keynesian >> >> > >> >> > > > > guide - the economics of full employment and FDR's >> >> > >> >> > > > > never completed >> >> > >> >> > > > > second Bill of Rights. More recently we have reverted >> >> > >> >> > > > > to the control >> >> > >> >> > > > > fraud of banksters and neo-classical economics. I was >> >> > >> >> > > > > never much >> >> > >> >> > > > > interested in the 'grand theory' - as a cop I was more >> >> > >> >> > > > > interested in >> >> > >> >> > > > > what people were hiding and lying about, as scientist >> >> > >> >> > > > > the grand was >> >> > >> >> > > > > excluded as rigorously as possible a the laboratory >> >> > >> >> > > > > door and as a >> >> > >> >> > > > > university teacher I was more interested in developing >> >> > >> >> > > > > resourceful >> >> > >> >> > > > > humans than daft, religious managerial theories. As a >> >> > >> >> > > > > kid, my elder >> >> > >> >> > > > > brother and sister always claimed I changed the >> >> > >> >> > > > > goalposts in argument >> >> > >> >> > > > > and as I grew up I discovered this was what argument >> >> > >> >> > > > > was generally >> >> > >> >> > > > > about - the goalposts changing name to root metaphor >> >> > >> >> > > > > and paradigm. >> >> > >> >> > > > > Experts in argument are bought like lawyers and have >> >> > >> >> > > > > about the same >> >> > >> >> > > > > ethics. When Socrates gestures at the Sophists >> >> > >> >> > > > > claiming 'I know >> >> > >> >> > > > > nothing, but even this is to know more than they' he is >> >> > >> >> > > > > just being the >> >> > >> >> > > > > smartest guy in the room. >> >> > >> >> > > > > We say 'jaw-jaw' is better than 'war-war' - but there >> >> > >> >> > > > > is no crucial >> >> > >> >> > > > > experiment to decide in 'jaw-jaw'. The problem with >> >> > >> >> > > > > argument is that >> >> > >> >> > > > > it needs arbitration if human beings are involved in it >> >> > >> >> > > > > and the seeds >> >> > >> >> > > > > of its own destruction are laid in most people having >> >> > >> >> > > > > no training in >> >> > >> >> > > > > how it is constructed. If you get some training in >> >> > >> >> > > > > this you can be >> >> > >> >> > > > > bought like a lawyer as a mouthpiece. Machine >> >> > >> >> > > > > knowledge bases and >> >> > >> >> > > > > reasoning capacity potentially offer a democratisation >> >> > >> >> > > > > of argument >> >> > >> >> > > > > expertise, manufacturing capability, medicine, finance >> >> > >> >> > > > > and much more - >> >> > >> >> > > > > evidence-based practice for all. In practice, doing >> >> > >> >> > > > > management >> >> > >> >> > > > > information systems, one soon learns those currently in >> >> > >> >> > > > > the know want >> >> > >> >> > > > > to keep things that way. I believe >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> read more ยป >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> -- >> >> >> > > -- > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice.. --
