I'm sure that's true Allan - but here it was a Labour administration and it seems to have happened around the world regardless of political colour. Nearly everyone bought into the banksters' magic beans - essentially a story of money making money. The disguise was 'working smarter' and 'assessing risk away' (by magic maths) - any fool could see it was yet another inflation-based Ponzi scam. This makes me suspect that government ministers are fed stuff on how the scams benefit their countries and act against others. Minsky and others exposed the debt bubble way before the 2008 crash and rather than learning from Japan (1991) we copied her performance. No one explains that if a country becomes a great, efficient manufacturer, she is going to be selling to haplessly inefficient countries with little other than raw materials and tourism to offer back. Why should Germans slog away to produce our VW Scirocco and let vastly more profitable financial services be done in the UK? It makes no commercial sense. The old way of money making money was usury and I suspect no change.
No slaving away for me today - the trains are replaced by buses into Manchester - so we have a working at home day - useless to me as I'm up-to-date and need a personal word with a few idlers. The VW is arriving late -curse that German inefficiency! The ashtray (sold separately) arrived yesterday. On Jan 24, 10:49 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually I think Obama means what he is saying and in reality is > having to fight the republican party that is more interested the rich > than the welfare of the nations people. Bear in mind the greatest > majority of the nations debt was brought on duing republican > administrations or as a direct result of laws passed by the republican > party.. > Blame needs to be placed correctly.. > > well all things aside I created a community on google + called > "Soul" in case you are interested > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Back from Max's wrestle with a Boxer (lost on points) and a snowman > > (won with leaping kick), we have Cameron lying on tax evasion with no > > mention of Britain's role via offshore. He moves on to talk of > > tackling poverty through democracy, peace, rule of law and > > transparency. The worrying thing is how he manages to sound like a > > champion and must, like Obama, mean none of it. Now he's saying big > > bankers have told him to pursue the open society agenda! Arggh! > > > On Jan 24, 8:48 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was only thinking out loud rigs. In science we don't even know what > >> mass is, but still manage to weight it accurately for most purposes. > >> Start trying to produce mass from energy (without something given in > >> nature like photosynthesis) and politics looks simple! My guess has > >> long been most of us don't want to know about politics but would like > >> it done honestly - and there lies the snag, summed-up in the term > >> transparency - this looks simple but is a double-edged sword (as in my > >> tax return is due and I won't be transparent! - though I am honest and > >> do pay up). I hate the way the real issues are really denied debate > >> and part of that is our desires for reasonably private family life. > > >> I do fear we are at a tipping point and can't see the benefits of more > >> transparency and the role of machines in this. My mate Dave runs a > >> second till in his pub and sells the odd bottle of spirits through it > >> - thus cheating the brewery and tax man. Without this no pub - the > >> business model for such pubs has collapsed. I turn a blind eye and > >> hope he succeeds. I've know many business people who had to cheat, > >> lie to the bank and so on to get through hard times, often creating > >> successful businesses. I don't think big business should behave this > >> way - but the business cycle does provide some justification. I > >> wonder how many 'Dave fiddles' make a Starbucks? > > >> If you look at China (allegedly communist - though some way from the > >> 16th century German Christian communist rebellions) you find billions > >> being invested in US/EU property by an elite - this kind of money from > >> all over should be invested in more social and scientific capital. I > >> think we could get to that without revolution and are largely > >> restrained by fear. It's not that long since we couldn't talk of the > >> Sun and planets orbiting same without doing auto da fe. I thus see > >> economics restrained by instruments of torture and incapable of the > >> courage once needed in science. I am pessimistic on educating a > >> critical mass of people and the nightmare is the mass of people are > >> breeding us to a precipice. I also fear technology may spread to > >> terrorists in a way we have only yet imagined through machine > >> expertise in chemical engineering. > > >> In the end we run away from the reality, much as I'm about to do with > >> Max and the day job - this usually works rigs - but I suspect the > >> energy in the zeitgeist is low! He knows his walk is due and is now > >> grumping about accusing me of stealing his 'nose time' in the universe > >> outside the door I don;t 'see' like him. > > >> On 23 Jan, 14:22, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > there was a time when american politicians worked for the good of the > >> > people. Today that is that has all changed.. the republican party is > >> > willing to hold the nation hostage so they can support the high priest > >> > of the golden calf.. making sure the poor pay the taxes and not the > >> > extremely wealthy.. > > >> > Oh well greed has it problems usually in less than 100 year when they > >> > face their resurrection,, but the it is to late .,.,. poor souls.. > > >> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > He's also as stubborn as a mule Allan - makes him even better really. > > >> > > Your pros and cons (plus margins) had me thinking rigs - I've been > >> > > asked for a book chapter on 'why economics isn't a science' and saw a > >> > > set of scales as I read your comments. Coincidentally, Obama was > >> > > doing his inauguration speech on tv and I remembered you don't like > >> > > him - he changed to a lying toad in front of my eyes (literally in my > >> > > head - though I always know I'm seeing an illusion). It was the > >> > > 'bringing democracy to all nations of the world' bit. Stuff lies to > >> > > us in science - mass is the classic - we treat it as creating > >> > > gravitational force (yet gravity is an illusion in general relativity) > >> > > and also treat it in terms of inertia - experimental results > >> > > coincidentally 'prove' both. US (and all other) imperialism should > >> > > make a statement like Obama's impossible to perceive other than as a > >> > > lie (the historical evidence is that we have subverted democracy > >> > > almost everywhere). I know from my own experience as an experimenter > >> > > that it is very difficult to set up measurement. Thinking of this > >> > > woolly mix I went to bed and dreamed of politicians as cheating > >> > > alchemists. The dream turned sour at that point when I sensed I was > >> > > on to something. > > >> > > I can see a machine able to flag up (say) US foreign policy effects as > >> > > politicians make their promises - clanking up pros and cons to make > >> > > lying in performance management more obvious. Science is aware that > >> > > it still gets caught up in myths (like creation and big bang - can we > >> > > think without origin) but essentially works hard on making factual > >> > > databases 'anyone' can use in terms of knowing what and knowing how. > >> > > The economic-political system generally prevents this altogether. > >> > > Don't really know what I'm on about - but I'm not scared by the > >> > > machine possibilities and suspect somewhere in this I don;t believe we > >> > > are human yet - and might only become so with machine help. > > >> > > Time to unleash the hound! > >> > > On Jan 23, 6:56 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> sounds like a great dog Neil > > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Maxwell is a stubby-legged Labrador and a bit of a wimp. He's a > >> > >> > sweetie. > > >> > >> > On Jan 22, 1:40 pm, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> My last was a lab-shepherd with high energy till he grew old- age > >> > >> >> 13. > >> > >> >> Also had a Chesapeake Bay retriever- another large dog that loves > >> > >> >> water. I have a large backyard but he really needed a field- > >> > >> >> stream- > >> > >> >> woods,etc. This cold is hard on paws- some fit their dogs with > >> > >> >> sweaters and booties.//Yes- it does seem the Brits collapse in snow > >> > >> >> and unusual weather but it's a strange year- even Jerusalem could > >> > >> >> make > >> > >> >> snowmen this year. Anyway- happy travels today. > > >> > >> >> On Jan 22, 12:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> >> > Max loves the snow - though we rarely drop much below freezing > >> > >> >> > here > >> > >> >> > even with wind-chill. I'm off into Manchester today, assuming > >> > >> >> > out > >> > >> >> > trains run on a quarter of an inch of snow, > > >> > >> >> > On Jan 22, 1:07 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> >> > > brrr. We might be there overnight. The deep freeze. > >> > >> >> > > Wonderful > >> > >> >> > > world. We move through it regardless. > > >> > >> >> > > On Jan 21, 10:24 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> >> > > > My earlier post has been diverted to outer space, it seems. > > >> > >> >> > > > That loneliness may be a cover, you know. > > >> > >> >> > > > Saul Bellow was a rascal. > > >> > >> >> > > > The speed of information leads to surprise and a protean > >> > >> >> > > > miss, often. > >> > >> >> > > > I look for patterns in history/culture and try to keep two > >> > >> >> > > > columns- > >> > >> >> > > > pro and con with hope for the margins. The top tiers of > >> > >> >> > > > government are > >> > >> >> > > > usually the culprits rather than their off-spring- and it's > >> > >> >> > > > true of > >> > >> >> > > > tribes as well as complicated systems- the buck really does > >> > >> >> > > > stop- even > >> > >> >> > > > in suitcases of cash and packets of Viagra. > > >> > >> >> > > > My "dog" would need diapers- we're at -30 wind chill factor. > > >> > >> >> > > > On Jan 21, 6:10 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> >> > > > > Of course, I don't expect anything tangled-up with > >> > >> >> > > > > government and > >> > >> >> > > > > academic bureaucracy to produce much practical. The gist > >> > >> >> > > > > was once > >> > >> >> > > > > that we should aim for praxis, a form of rational action. > >> > >> >> > > > > For some > >> > >> >> > > > > the guide was marxism, but most of us grew up with a form > >> > >> >> > > > > of Keynesian > >> > >> >> > > > > guide - the economics of full employment and FDR's never > >> > >> >> > > > > completed > >> > >> >> > > > > second Bill of Rights. More recently we have reverted to > >> > >> >> > > > > the control > >> > >> >> > > > > fraud of banksters and neo-classical economics. I was > >> > >> >> > > > > never much > >> > >> >> > > > > interested in the 'grand theory' - as a cop I was more > >> > >> >> > > > > interested in > >> > >> >> > > > > what people were hiding and lying about, as scientist the > >> > >> >> > > > > grand was > >> > >> >> > > > > excluded as rigorously as possible a the laboratory door > >> > >> >> > > > > and as a > >> > >> >> > > > > university teacher I was more interested in developing > >> > >> >> > > > > resourceful > >> > >> >> > > > > humans than daft, religious managerial theories. As a > >> > >> >> > > > > kid, my elder > >> > >> >> > > > > brother and sister always claimed I changed the goalposts > >> > >> >> > > > > in argument > >> > >> >> > > > > and as I grew up I discovered this was what argument was > >> > >> >> > > > > generally > >> > >> >> > > > > about - the goalposts changing name to root metaphor and > >> > >> >> > > > > paradigm. > >> > >> >> > > > > Experts in argument are bought like lawyers and have about > >> > >> >> > > > > the same > >> > >> >> > > > > ethics. When Socrates gestures at the Sophists claiming > >> > >> >> > > > > 'I know > >> > >> >> > > > > nothing, but even this is to know more than they' he is > >> > >> >> > > > > just being the > >> > >> >> > > > > smartest guy in the room. > >> > >> >> > > > > We say 'jaw-jaw' is better than 'war-war' - but there is > >> > >> >> > > > > no crucial > >> > >> >> > > > > experiment to decide in 'jaw-jaw'. The problem with > >> > >> >> > > > > argument is that > >> > >> >> > > > > it needs arbitration if human beings are involved in it > >> > >> >> > > > > and the seeds > >> > >> >> > > > > of its own destruction are laid in most people having no > >> > >> >> > > > > training in > >> > >> >> > > > > how it is constructed. If you get some training in this > >> > >> >> > > > > you can be > >> > >> >> > > > > bought like a lawyer as a mouthpiece. Machine knowledge > >> > >> >> > > > > bases and > >> > >> >> > > > > reasoning capacity potentially offer a democratisation of > >> > >> >> > > > > argument > >> > >> >> > > > > expertise, manufacturing capability, medicine, finance and > >> > >> >> > > > > much more - > >> > >> >> > > > > evidence-based practice for all. In practice, doing > >> > >> >> > > > > management > >> > >> >> > > > > information systems, one soon learns those currently in > >> > >> >> > > > > the know want > >> > >> >> > > > > to keep things that way. I believe > > >> ... > > >> read more » > > > -- > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > Of course I talk to myself, > Sometimes I need expert advice.. --
