Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy? On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote: > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation, > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no critique or > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent, > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done is > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages. > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are frankly > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might walk one > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control fraud > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a world > once again dominated by religion. > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to be > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect that > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled accusations > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon. > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the basis > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that most > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. At > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the > > US. > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just > blindly > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of not > having > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in order to > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest opinion > you > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain and > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money for a > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority > opinions as > > > mindless. > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between > heard > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is possible > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but > gross > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be > dangerous, > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears this > out on > > > > > many occasions. > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > what ever andrew > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your > own > > > > opinion. In > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority > opinion > > > > is > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and > disrespect. All > > > > opinions > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it > has no > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to > control > > > > being > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea > of > > > > what > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting lie > > > > rather > > > > > > >> tan the simple truth. > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most > > > > comprehensive.... > > > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or > the > > > > most > > > > > > >> > moral > > > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority > opinion is > > > > not > > > > > > >> > personal. > > > > > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> .......I think we know > > > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our > impotence > > > > - > > > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. > > > > > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive > amount of > > > > > > >> >> > illnesses, > > > > > > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a > > > > protestant > > > > > > >> >> > work > > > > > > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. > I hope > > > > you > > > > > > >> >> > can > > > > > > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now. > > > > > > > > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is > on > > > > going, > > > > > > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the > other > > > > killing > > > > > > >> >> > > is > > > > > > >> >> > > based off religious superiority, > > > > > > >> >> > > Whats the difference.. ?? > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness > is a > > > > classic, > > > > > > >> >> > > > Allan. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam > in > > > > today's > > > > > > >> >> > > >> world.. > > > > > > >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the > day. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly > recent > > > > history- > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > that's all > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as > > > > explicated > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > by > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up > in a > > > > wave- to > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > use > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete > reasons at > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > base, > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > it is > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that > when > > > > dissent is > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way? > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty > > > > positive > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> spin > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> and > > > > > > >> >> > > say: > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority > of > > > > Americans > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> is > > > > > > >> >> > > happily > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange > it over > > > > there. > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> :) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, > rigs > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does > depend upon > > > > going > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > along > > > > > > >> >> > > with > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of > democracy is > > > > that of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > dissent > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > but > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob > > > > mentality. > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > When > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > you > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious > that > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > pattern > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > is to > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies > to > > > > other > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > areas > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > life. > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be > corrupt > > > > so > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > "membership" > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > can > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has > been the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > bane > > > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it > would > > > > have > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > be the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the “majority opinion”. The > moment men > > > > began > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first > asking > > > > “What > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > does > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?”, they set themselves up for an > > > > endless > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > future > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social > beings, > > > > and our > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > natures > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and > spirit in > > > > what > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > might > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > call > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > a “tribal imperative”. However, this > imperative > > > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > organize > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > is > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > often > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the > > > > psychological > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and > > > > exploit the > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to > fool them > > > > into > > > > > > >> >> > > abandoning > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the > group, or > > > > some > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract > > > > > > >> >> > > and > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the > > > > organization of a > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > culture > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a > tribe > > > > or a > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > community > > > > > > >> >> > > of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare > collective > > > > of > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to > > > > ... > > > > read more » >
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