I remember when I was young the wimps from all over the county came to (West-)Berlin, because here you were exempted from the military service. The wimps got along quite ok with our islamic terrorists back then. And we all got state subsidies for bravely risking our lives in Sovjet-Russian breath distance. All was normal. Things have changed after the wall fell. East German sports discipline began to invade the swamp. Show that you are better, con-form and bite, but never whine. An interesting mix, isn't it?
2013/1/29 rigs <[email protected]> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills. > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers > military service a risk and who would do that? > > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a > > highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent > > innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the > > process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the > > caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my > > stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones > > children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but > > now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as > > one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they > > have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.// > > Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in > > correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims, > > etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/ > > nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove > > their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and > > comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card > > will do... > > > > On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should have > > > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in > > > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students. > > > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the > > > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. I > > > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend > > > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning > > > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work > > > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter > > > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all give up > > > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory. > > > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need > > > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial > > > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what > > > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all > > > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way' > > > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend > > > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to 'respect > > > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who wants > > > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down the > > > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's > > > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting > > > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our > > > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max > > > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of > > > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your comment me > > > old China. > > > > > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy? > > > > > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote: > > > > > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation, > > > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no > critique or > > > > > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent, > > > > > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done > is > > > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages. > > > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are > frankly > > > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might walk > one > > > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and > > > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control > fraud > > > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a > world > > > > > once again dominated by religion. > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves > to be > > > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect > that > > > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you > just > > > > > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as > fact > > > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled > accusations > > > > > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value > > > > > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological > phenomenon. > > > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the > basis > > > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that > most > > > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. > At > > > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in > the > > > > > > US. > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just > > > > > blindly > > > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of > not > > > > > having > > > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in > order to > > > > > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest > opinion > > > > > you > > > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain > and > > > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money > for a > > > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority > > > > > opinions as > > > > > > > mindless. > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation > between > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is > possible > > > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, > but > > > > > gross > > > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one > that is > > > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be > > > > > dangerous, > > > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears > this > > > > > out on > > > > > > > > > many occasions. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > what ever andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > opinion. In > > > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the > majority > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and > > > > > disrespect. All > > > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of > democracy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan > Heretic > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate > as it > > > > > has no > > > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to > > > > > control > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and > no idea > > > > > of > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the > comforting lie > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > >> tan the simple truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, > most > > > > > > > > comprehensive.... > > > > > > > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most > correct, or > > > > > the > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > >> > moral > > > > > > > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. > Majority > > > > > opinion is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > >> > personal. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, > archytas > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> .......I think we know > > > > > > > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of > our > > > > > impotence > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the > massive > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > illnesses, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness > because of a > > > > > > > > protestant > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > work > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less > the many. > > > > > I hope > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > can > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the > other is > > > > > on > > > > > > > > going, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > killing > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > is > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > based off religious superiority, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Whats the difference.. ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of > wickedness > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > classic, > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Allan. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough > is Islam > > > > > in > > > > > > > > today's > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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