as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,, the base ball of hall of fame said that was okay.. and put him in it making him a hero... drug use and all .. now where is the USADA and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is okay;; to big of money involved
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite > critical of Bush 41 and 43. > > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon also >> carried on though pro sports oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar >> >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead >> of just spout republican rhetoric.. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills. >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers >> > military service a risk and who would do that? >> >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.// >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims, >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/ >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card >> >> will do... >> >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should have >> >> > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students. >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. I >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning >> >> > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all give up >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory. >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way' >> >> > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to 'respect >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who wants >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down the >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our >> >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max >> >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of >> >> > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your comment me >> >> > old China. >> >> >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy? >> >> >> > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote: >> >> >> > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation, >> >> > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no critique >> >> > > > or >> >> > > > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent, >> >> > > > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done is >> >> > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages. >> >> > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are >> >> > > > frankly >> >> > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might walk >> >> > > > one >> >> > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and >> >> > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control >> >> > > > fraud >> >> > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a >> >> > > > world >> >> > > > once again dominated by religion. >> >> >> > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves >> >> > > > > to be >> >> > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect >> >> > > > > that >> >> > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just >> >> > > > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as >> >> > > > > fact >> >> > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled >> >> > > > > accusations >> >> > > > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value >> >> > > > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological >> >> > > > > phenomenon. >> >> > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the >> >> > > > > basis >> >> > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that most >> >> > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. >> >> > > > > At >> >> > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in >> >> > > > > the >> >> > > > > US. >> >> >> > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just >> >> > > > blindly >> >> > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of >> >> > > > > > not >> >> > > > having >> >> > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in >> >> > > > > > order to >> >> > > > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest >> >> > > > > > opinion >> >> > > > you >> >> > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain >> >> > > > > > and >> >> > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money >> >> > > > > > for a >> >> > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority >> >> > > > opinions as >> >> > > > > > mindless. >> >> >> > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! >> >> >> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation >> >> > > > > > > > between >> >> > > > heard >> >> > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is >> >> > > > > > > > possible >> >> > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, >> >> > > > > > > > but >> >> > > > gross >> >> > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one >> >> > > > > > > > that is >> >> > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be >> >> > > > dangerous, >> >> > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears >> >> > > > > > > > this >> >> > > > out on >> >> > > > > > > > many occasions. >> >> >> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > what ever andrew >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey < >> >> > > > [email protected]> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with >> >> > > > > > > > > > your >> >> > > > own >> >> > > > > > > opinion. In >> >> > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the >> >> > > > > > > > > > majority >> >> > > > opinion >> >> > > > > > > is >> >> > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and >> >> > > > disrespect. All >> >> > > > > > > opinions >> >> > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan >> >> > > > > > > > > > Heretic >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate >> >> > > > > > > > > >> as it >> >> > > > has no >> >> > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to >> >> > > > control >> >> > > > > > > being >> >> > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> no idea >> >> > > > of >> >> > > > > > > what >> >> > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> comforting lie >> >> > > > > > > rather >> >> > > > > > > > > >> tan the simple truth. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey < >> >> > > > [email protected]> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > most >> >> > > > > > > comprehensive.... >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > correct, or >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > > > > most >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > moral >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Majority >> >> > > > opinion is >> >> > > > > > > not >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > personal. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > archytas >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> .......I think we know >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> our >> >> > > > impotence >> >> > > > > > > - >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. 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