It's too late- major sports are strrictly business and this model has even filtered down to school leagues.
On Jan 30, 6:34 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Not only is that true Allan - but there are clear institutional forms > that would prevent the worst of it. > Eyes on Spain, as I understand, on a drugs expose. The best game of > rugby league I can think of is the 1978 Challenge Cup Final between > Leeds and St. Helens. The guys were all part-timers. The best soccer > - Newcastle beaten by amateurs Blythe Spartans on a mud heap with a > spectacular goal winning the third replay by a bloke named Radford. > Some mate reminded me the other day that my own spectacular length of > the field effort at Sheffield had two cigarette breaks in it and that > a modern team would have smashed me behind my own try line (this bit > true - I never smoked in the rugby season). I played against amateur > sides that could out-muscle us - typically mining teams. Now training > - legal or otherwise - has made professional teams massive in > comparison with the lower leagues. Every team had its Walter Peyton, > though we were usually smaller and even dodgier - now even the best of > all time (an Aussie exile called Brian Bevan) would be an accessory > no modern attritional team could afford. Our diets were often > restricted - now they are on 6,500 calories a day. I was only ever > any good in mud - so am inclined to think modern, dry, flat pitches > are not exactly 'level playing fields' in the spirit of the term. > This has been a mud week in the UK and several giant-killing feats > occurred in the soccer cup. I'm an old crank! > > There should be no professional sport - match fees and a day job > should do. That we can spend fortunes on such as the Olympic freak > show should tell us something about economics, not least we can > organise stuff like that but not build decent homes, water > supplies ... I despise the situation Allan. I used to think the > question was how to achieve decent living conditions and fairness > without going Soviet (clearly a major spoiler) - but now I think we've > gone Soviet anyway. The Uk took more medals than the Germany that now > includes the DDR that used to 'outshine' all. One has to wonder why! > Our disabled athletes did even better - improving attitudes towards > the disabled so much we immediately shut Remploy factories that > employed them, dumping them into the individual, personal care of > shyster corporations associated with our jobcentres (a strange term > for places with no jobs in them). Needless to say there has been no > redeployment. Behind their backs the newly appreciated disabled are > being called idle, workshy scum ... and the new aware, caring > maojority don't give a flying rocking horse dropping. > > On 30 Jan, 10:25, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In the US the american political system for the most part is sold to > > the highest bidder since regean sold off the country.. untill there > > is a major change in political output ending the greed and self > > centered activity putting america first rather than their pocket book > > or political gain.. > > > Sadly world wide self interest is placed before the interest of humanity > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:08 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On the ignorance of the majority we have this - > > >http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/why-are-american-voters-so-u... > > > > In research into he evaluation of management education I used to ask > > > individuals present in classes to rate the class from 0 - 10 within an > > > hour of finish (usually high) and then put a few questions on content > > > memory (usually low, sometimes zero). I repeated this after three and > > > six months - al ratings going down a little and content memories > > > evaporating. I sat through classes myself and it seemed people were > > > paying attention and sometimes actively engaged. The only book I saw > > > being used in the library was the comedic but accurate 'Up the > > > Organisation'. Memories of the content of that were very good, as was > > > memory of project work. I can remember (more accurately) the content > > > of a project on the life history of the turbot done aged 10 than the > > > content of management education books on the topics I teach. > > > > I suspect the majority ignorance on politics has a lot to do with it > > > not being important or interesting - perhaps not even accessible - and > > > largely irrelevant to ordinary lives. Many of the people we vote in > > > are lawyers and we generally rate them as pond life. > > > > On 29 Jan, 20:21, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,, the > > >> base ball of hall of fame said that was okay.. and put him in it > > >> making him a hero... drug use and all .. now where is the USADA > > >> and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for > > >> life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is > > >> okay;; to big of money involved > > > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite > > >> > critical of Bush 41 and 43. > > > >> > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon also > > >> >> carried on though pro sports oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar > > > >> >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead > > >> >> of just spout republican rhetoric.. > > > >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking > > >> >> > though > > >> >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and > > >> >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their > > >> >> > skills. > > >> >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then > > >> >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with > > >> >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But > > >> >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment > > >> >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers > > >> >> > military service a risk and who would do that? > > > >> >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a > > >> >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some > > >> >> >> recent > > >> >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the > > >> >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of > > >> >> >> the > > >> >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my > > >> >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones > > >> >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but > > >> >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply > > >> >> >> as > > >> >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now > > >> >> >> they > > >> >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.// > > >> >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in > > >> >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for > > >> >> >> plagiarizims, > > >> >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/ > > >> >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to > > >> >> >> prove > > >> >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and > > >> >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card > > >> >> >> will do... > > > >> >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should > > >> >> >> > have > > >> >> >> > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in > > >> >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students. > > >> >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. > > >> >> >> > I > > >> >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't > > >> >> >> > fend > > >> >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning > > >> >> >> > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking > > >> >> >> > at work > > >> >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of > > >> >> >> > 'chapter > > >> >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all > > >> >> >> > give up > > >> >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different > > >> >> >> > theory. > > >> >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the > > >> >> >> > need > > >> >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial > > >> >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what > > >> >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in > > >> >> >> > all > > >> >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your > > >> >> >> > own way' > > >> >> >> > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend > > >> >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to > > >> >> >> > 'respect > > >> >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who > > >> >> >> > wants > > >> >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down > > >> >> >> > the > > >> >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that > > >> >> >> > what's > > >> >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in > > >> >> >> > reacting > > >> >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our > > >> >> >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking > > >> >> >> > Max > > >> >> >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of > > >> >> >> > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your > > >> >> >> > comment me > > >> >> >> > old China. > > > >> >> >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way > > >> >> >> > > Archy? > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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