I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite critical of Bush 41 and 43.
On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon also > carried on though pro sports oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar > > I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead > of just spout republican rhetoric.. > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though > > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and > > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills. > > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then > > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with > > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But > > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment > > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers > > military service a risk and who would do that? > > > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a > >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent > >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the > >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the > >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my > >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones > >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but > >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as > >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they > >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.// > >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in > >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims, > >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/ > >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove > >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and > >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card > >> will do... > > >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should have > >> > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in > >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students. > >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the > >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. I > >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend > >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning > >> > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work > >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter > >> > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all give up > >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory. > >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need > >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial > >> > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what > >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all > >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way' > >> > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend > >> > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to 'respect > >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who wants > >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down the > >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's > >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting > >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our > >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max > >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of > >> > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your comment me > >> > old China. > > >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way Archy? > > >> > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote: > > >> > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation, > >> > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no critique > >> > > > or > >> > > > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent, > >> > > > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done is > >> > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages. > >> > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are > >> > > > frankly > >> > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might walk > >> > > > one > >> > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and > >> > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control > >> > > > fraud > >> > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a world > >> > > > once again dominated by religion. > > >> > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just > >> > > > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact > >> > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled > >> > > > > accusations > >> > > > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are value > >> > > > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon. > >> > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the > >> > > > > basis > >> > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that most > >> > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear. > >> > > > > At > >> > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the > >> > > > > US. > > >> > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just > >> > > > blindly > >> > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of > >> > > > > > not > >> > > > having > >> > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in > >> > > > > > order to > >> > > > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest > >> > > > > > opinion > >> > > > you > >> > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain > >> > > > > > and > >> > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money > >> > > > > > for a > >> > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority > >> > > > opinions as > >> > > > > > mindless. > > >> > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation > >> > > > > > > > between > >> > > > heard > >> > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is > >> > > > > > > > possible > >> > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but > >> > > > gross > >> > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one > >> > > > > > > > that is > >> > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be > >> > > > dangerous, > >> > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History bears > >> > > > > > > > this > >> > > > out on > >> > > > > > > > many occasions. > > >> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > what ever andrew > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey < > >> > > > [email protected]> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with > >> > > > > > > > > > your > >> > > > own > >> > > > > > > opinion. In > >> > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the > >> > > > > > > > > > majority > >> > > > opinion > >> > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and > >> > > > disrespect. All > >> > > > > > > opinions > >> > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy? > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan > >> > > > > > > > > > Heretic > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate > >> > > > > > > > > >> as it > >> > > > has no > >> > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to > >> > > > control > >> > > > > > > being > >> > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no > >> > > > > > > > > >> idea > >> > > > of > >> > > > > > > what > >> > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the > >> > > > > > > > > >> comforting lie > >> > > > > > > rather > >> > > > > > > > > >> tan the simple truth. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey < > >> > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most > >> > > > > > > comprehensive.... > >> > > > > > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most > >> > > > > > > > > >> > correct, or > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > > most > >> > > > > > > > > >> > moral > >> > > > > > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority > >> > > > opinion is > >> > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > >> > personal. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > archytas > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> .......I think we know > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our > >> > > > impotence > >> > > > > > > - > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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