On the ignorance of the majority we have this - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/why-are-american-voters-so-uninformed
In research into he evaluation of management education I used to ask individuals present in classes to rate the class from 0 - 10 within an hour of finish (usually high) and then put a few questions on content memory (usually low, sometimes zero). I repeated this after three and six months - al ratings going down a little and content memories evaporating. I sat through classes myself and it seemed people were paying attention and sometimes actively engaged. The only book I saw being used in the library was the comedic but accurate 'Up the Organisation'. Memories of the content of that were very good, as was memory of project work. I can remember (more accurately) the content of a project on the life history of the turbot done aged 10 than the content of management education books on the topics I teach. I suspect the majority ignorance on politics has a lot to do with it not being important or interesting - perhaps not even accessible - and largely irrelevant to ordinary lives. Many of the people we vote in are lawyers and we generally rate them as pond life. On 29 Jan, 20:21, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,, the > base ball of hall of fame said that was okay.. and put him in it > making him a hero... drug use and all .. now where is the USADA > and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for > life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is > okay;; to big of money involved > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite > > critical of Bush 41 and 43. > > > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon also > >> carried on though pro sports oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar > > >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead > >> of just spout republican rhetoric.. > > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though > >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and > >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills. > >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then > >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with > >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But > >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment > >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers > >> > military service a risk and who would do that? > > >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a > >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent > >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the > >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the > >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my > >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones > >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but > >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as > >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they > >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.// > >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in > >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims, > >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/ > >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove > >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and > >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card > >> >> will do... > > >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that! Brian Clough should have > >> >> > been England manager! One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in > >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students. > >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the > >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place. I > >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend > >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning > >> >> > terrifying). It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work > >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter > >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there. To a man jack they'd all give up > >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory. > >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need > >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial > >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats. I try to met people do what > >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all > >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way' > >> >> > who don't mean it. And it's much more difficult today to defend > >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line. Is it possible to 'respect > >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it? What is a person who wants > >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment? Further down the > >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's > >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting > >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work! Our > >> >> > schools claim to be doing a better job than ever - but walking Max > >> >> > through litter and evading broken bottles left by the products of > >> >> > school education I'm not so sure. Still smirking on your comment me > >> >> > old China. > > >> >> > On Jan 27, 11:13 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > Ahhh but what if majority opinion was to sway towards your way > >> >> > > Archy? > > >> >> > > On Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:56:22 UTC, archytas wrote: > > >> >> > > > Much majority opinion, when tested, contains almost no evaluation, > >> >> > > > nothing on alternative views (other than suspicion) and no > >> >> > > > critique or > >> >> > > > originality. Many of the people involved are remarkably decent, > >> >> > > > hospitable and so on. The majority view on the science I've done > >> >> > > > is > >> >> > > > non-existent - people don't have the requisite languages. > >> >> > > > Anthropology throws up majority views across cultures that are > >> >> > > > frankly > >> >> > > > barking (as in our own histories and probably now). We might > >> >> > > > walk one > >> >> > > > of Andrew's thought parks and look back from the near future and > >> >> > > > realise neo-classical economics really was a barking mad control > >> >> > > > fraud > >> >> > > > that held us back from world peace - or that it saved us from a > >> >> > > > world > >> >> > > > once again dominated by religion. > > >> >> > > > On Jan 27, 5:54 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves > >> >> > > > > to be > >> >> > > > > part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect > >> >> > > > > that > >> >> > > > > you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you > >> >> > > > > just > >> >> > > > > voiced, Andrew. An opinion filled with judgments presented as > >> >> > > > > fact > >> >> > > > > (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled > >> >> > > > > accusations > >> >> > > > > are always weak argument. Words like arrogant and vain are > >> >> > > > > value > >> >> > > > > judgments. Herd mentality is a documented sociological > >> >> > > > > phenomenon. > >> >> > > > > Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the > >> >> > > > > basis > >> >> > > > > of their thinking or opinion is fear. I would speculate that > >> >> > > > > most > >> >> > > > > political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with > >> >> > > > > fear. At > >> >> > > > > least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in > >> >> > > > > the > >> >> > > > > US. > > >> >> > > > > On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is > >> >> > > > > > just > >> >> > > > blindly > >> >> > > > > > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out > >> >> > > > > > of not > >> >> > > > having > >> >> > > > > > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in > >> >> > > > > > order to > >> >> > > > > > conform. The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest > >> >> > > > > > opinion > >> >> > > > you > >> >> > > > > > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, > >> >> > > > > > vain and > >> >> > > > > > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money > >> >> > > > > > for a > >> >> > > > > > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority > >> >> > > > opinions as > >> >> > > > > > mindless. > > >> >> > > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work! > > >> >> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation > >> >> > > > > > > > between > >> >> > > > heard > >> >> > > > > > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order. It is > >> >> > > > > > > > possible > >> >> > > > > > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, > >> >> > > > > > > > but > >> >> > > > gross > >> >> > > > > > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, > >> >> > > > > > > > one that is > >> >> > > > > > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be > >> >> > > > dangerous, > >> >> > > > > > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage. History > >> >> > > > > > > > bears this > >> >> > > > out on > >> >> > > > > > > > many occasions. > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > > > what ever andrew > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey < > >> >> > > > [email protected]> > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree > >> >> > > > > > > > > > with your > >> >> > > > own > >> >> > > > > > > opinion. In > >> >> > > > > > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the > >> >> > > > > > > > > > majority > >> >> > > > opinion > >> >> > > > > > > is > >> >> > > > > > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and > >> >> > > > disrespect. All > >> >> > > > > > > opinions > >> >> > > > > > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of > >> >> > > > > > > > > > democracy? > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Heretic > >> >> > > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> manipulate as it > >> >> > > > has no > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> to > >> >> > > > control > >> >> > > > > > > being > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> no idea > >> >> > > > of > >> >> > > > > > > what > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe the > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> comforting > > ... > > read more » -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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