Interesting rigsy you found games that taught lying and cheating and general dishonesty fun.. that is a strange sense of morality.. or is it the preparation for loss of morality?
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: > My dictionary (Random House Collegiate) defines rentiers as those > living on a fixed income, as from land or bonds. (French) Of course > nothing is "fixed" anymore since there are many ways to impact any > security one holds.//There many ways we gamble whether we define it > that way or not. Frankly, it is a risk to be born when you come right > down to it but what's the alternative? I don't gamble but did give a > gambling dinner party for four couples many years ago that was a lot > of fun- included liar's dice, roulette and ended with a live turtle > race.//I think you are talking about all the middle men that stand > between a person and his money/land and that would include governments > who decide to throw a war or tax the pants off you or make sure you > are dependent on their services.//Yes- politicians, lawyers and > brokers along with other professionals are in the business of making > money off your money by establishing systems that the average person > cannot access or control. > > On Feb 1, 11:32 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> I tend to 'count the legs of nags' I back rigs (from time to time - I >> don't gamble much). It's hard to tell the difference between a risk >> taker and a moron. All gamblers lose unless they have an edge. One- >> armed bandits are properly named. Given they are allowed to take 25% >> it's very easy to work out how to run them at no risk at all. I don't >> play cards for money with friends (because I win). Gamblers with edge >> either have the rules stacked in their favour or inside information. >> In most sports the idea is not to play the high risk game and get the >> other team to take them. I'd love to know what you think risk is. >> >> The rentier-class is totally risk averse and practices usury - they >> seek he bookmakers' position (there are some risks in some such >> positions), preferably extracting fees rather than being at risk >> should certain results flow. We continue to bail them out - so what >> was at risk? As we bail them out, they get richer but don't offer >> these riches up as at risk to pay us back.One does find more Americans >> have swallowed the risk-thrusting-capitalist myth than across Europe - >> but our oligarchies continue along very similar lines. I don't >> remember being asked to allow bankers money creation or use asset >> inflation to back Ponzi schemes. I think you have this one upside >> down. They've turned what should be an investment system into a >> gambling club that pays out stipends and privileges as surely as to >> any nomenclature. >> >> On 1 Feb, 15:18, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Neither is capitalism an accounting system... Accounting is >> > accounting and simply tells you where your money is going and where >> > it is.. it is not an economic system accounting will work with >> > any "ism" >> >> > Sorry about the delay answering Neil.. Over simplification of >> > spiritual concept is a blessing not a curse.. It is meant and stated >> > so that even a child can understand what is said and abide by the >> > spiritual idea. As I see it stating simple ideas into complex >> > statements is not much more than an excuse to use when trying follow a >> > spiritual path.. >> > If a child can understand a spiritual path, then hopefully you too >> > can understand the path to follow. >> >> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:57 PM, rigs <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > As if socialism is not also an accounting system!!! It is possible for >> > > capitalism to be compassionate and altruistic versus enforcement with >> > > hidden motives.//We have not escaped the past either. You may still be >> > > eating grass porridge as oatmeal. :-) >> >> > > On Jan 31, 7:30 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> I like the divine right analogy rigs. I don't favour capitalism for >> > >> much the same reason. Much discussion of right and wrong is stuck in >> > >> a past we need to escape. Origin is difficult. Born a Scot I might >> > >> revere our heritage - but 3000 years ago 'we' were likely German >> > >> farmers eating 'grass porridge'. Capitalism broke up much of >> > >> feudalism, but I suspect it was no more than a revision of Domesday >> > >> Book accounting and labour exploitation. Much of what actually goes >> > >> on is not capitalism but the establishment of rents through financial >> > >> manipulations - essentially a control fraud by the rentier-class. >> > >> We've been had on a butty - and need more modern argument based on >> > >> what we know, facts shared in a common language. >> > >> There is a literature suggesting our environmental knowledge is now >> > >> important in moral decision-making I think we have missed a lot >> > >> before this. Current technology is good enough for us to create self- >> > >> sustaining communities and give up on empire. We need to re-evaluate >> > >> our morality against this. I don't see this leading to socialism and >> > >> any aim seems to me to be about considerably more freedom - from such >> > >> things as war, work ethics formed in times of shortage and need for >> > >> hard labour and so on. The Soviet empire was much like the Tsars it >> > >> replaced - we used to call the KGB 'Checkists' after the Tsar's secret >> > >> police. >> > >> I suspect capitalism - unless used as a pejorative - is little more >> > >> than an accounting system. The problem lies in its corruption. >> > >> People cheat and cheats like crimogenic systems that allow work in the >> > >> dark. The umpire in cricket is now redundant - machines are better. >> > >> We could have had a machine accounting system on a global basis by now >> > >> - instead machines play a bigger role in cheating. Capitalism with >> > >> fair accounting presents few problems except for losers in the >> > >> competition. In sport we have competitions that allow losers first >> > >> draft picks and our course there is no competition if one eradicates >> > >> the competition. Wigan's dominance of the Rugby League was truly >> > >> horrible - it was hard t turn up to watch knowing every other team >> > >> would lose. >> > >> The pathway to Hell is lined with good intentions Gabby - we are >> > >> scared of change. Does anyone now believe that rule by the Guardians >> > >> of future socialist paradise can be established to wither away? Or >> > >> that the rentiers will wither away as Keynes hoped? And are such >> > >> matters not the same coin, merely opposite sides? Capitalism has run >> > >> up a lot of debt - are we so sure of it we can do away with time- >> > >> honoured debt jubilee? Would it not make more sense to give away what >> > >> we have built already to the people, have something of a leveling and >> > >> start again with a new focus on sustainability? >> > >> The genuine capitalist firm treats finance as a cost - it is difficult >> > >> to see from this how the vast transactions of financial services are >> > >> not parasitic on such firms and all of us. The bubbles created cause >> > >> much misery and form part of a vast Ponzi scheme we have no need of. >> > >> Beyond this, capitalism is really assumed to be a dirty game of beggar >> > >> thy neighbour we are ahead in and need to stay ahead in or we'll lose >> > >> military edge (and so on). We end up justifying doing bad things for >> > >> the greater end and rationalising this as moral. >> >> > >> On Jan 31, 9:14 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > The way you contrast socialism and capitalism is like contrasting >> > >> > creationism versus evolutionism. And by the natural law that the >> > >> > fittest >> > >> > will survive you are right to have decided for the evolutionary view. >> >> > >> > I don't think - and the exchange in this group has helped me a lot to >> > >> > see >> > >> > this clearer - we should forget how tempting the search for the right >> > >> > answers is. >> >> > >> > 2013/1/31 rigs <[email protected]> >> >> > >> > > I am a fan of capitalism. I consider Marxism and Fascism as an >> > >> > > extension of socialism which is an extension of divine rights,etc., >> > >> > > i.e. theft, redistribution of another's wealth and labor, weakening >> > >> > > of >> > >> > > the body politic (a form of serfdom) which turns governments into >> > >> > > bloodsuckers via taxes and debt.//Do you think economics is a valid >> > >> > > science? Why, when it has flopped so many times.//We need production >> > >> > > and labor plus consumption so there is a need for immigrants into >> > >> > > white industrial countries to make up for the decline of white >> > >> > > births >> > >> > > (55 million abortions plus birth control). But I wonder if illegals >> > >> > > will pay back taxes and bother to learn English. It might go >> > >> > > smoother >> > >> > > if we learn Spanish and Europe learn Arabic.//Family can also hurt >> > >> > > people but sometimes that hurt teaches valuable lessons. It is >> > >> > > easier >> > >> > > to leave some people and events to Heaven though it would probably >> > >> > > spell the end of the legal profession. >> >> > >> > > On Jan 30, 4:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > I'm not sure the audience is as wide as your estimate rigs. >> > >> > > > Technically I am hospitable to any theoretical view from marxism >> > >> > > > to >> > >> > > > fascism - though I tend to dislike theoretical views - and >> > >> > > > hospitable >> > >> > > > to Islamic theory/s in business analysis - and to guests in my >> > >> > > > classrooms from all backgrounds. This is easy enough - as easy as >> > >> > > > offering to put you up if you were travelling in the UK. The >> > >> > > > difficult bit is in reciprocity - here we might think of the >> > >> > > > Maussian >> > >> > > > concept of the gift and many examples in 'stoneage economics' - >> > >> > > > what >> > >> > > > is expect of a guest in return. One gives freely - a few nights >> > >> > > > stay >> > >> > > > is not given for a return of a few nights stay and so on - yet one >> > >> > > > does not generally keep giving to inhospitable guests. One can >> > >> > > > discuss racism yet not tolerate racists - but to brand people >> > >> > > > concerned their opportunities for homes and work are disappearing >> > >> > > > in >> > >> > > > immigration flows as racist who raise these issues with some >> > >> > > > hatred on >> > >> > > > the people taking them is also wrong (particularly if done by >> > >> > > > politically correct idiots whose homes and jobs are not under such >> > >> > > > threat). Hospitality is sometimes easy, sometimes very hard >> > >> > > > work, can >> > >> > > > be a treat or pain - but is always already reciprocal in intent >> > >> > > > even >> > >> > > > if no commodity exchange is meant. I prefer to be hospitable to >> > >> > > > you >> > >> > > > rigs than tolerant - tolerance has pratronising aspects - and >> > >> > > > this is >> > >> > > > my general approach to things intellectual. It's easy with you >> > >> > > > as I >> > >> > > > like what I hear. I have lost hospitality to politics. Left to >> > >> > > > typo >> > >> > > > as it hits the meaning better than the word I intended! >> >> > >> > > > People hurt us Andrew. We hurt them. Some is intentional some >> > >> > > > not. >> > >> > > > Gossip is often vicious from the pub to academic cloister. >> > >> > > > Transactional analysis isn't a bad place to look at how rigs' >> > >> > > > "balanced score card" builds up in >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice.. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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